Nussle offered differing views on abortion

WOI Television (ABC affiliate, Des Moines, Iowa) via AP ^ | 09-01-2006 | Associated Press

[cspackler]

Why should I vote for someone who does not share one of my biggest core values?

Because if you don't, you'll end up with someone who shares NONE of your values. If you only vote for candidates who you are in agreement with on 100% of the issues, you might as well burn your voter registration card now, because you will never use it again.

[redgolum]

But at what point do you compromise your beliefs for temporary expediency? I am a Christian. Christians have, since the first century, viewed abortion as murder. By voting for a candidate who is pro abortion I am voting for a candidate that is pro murder.

I compromise all the time in the candidates that I support. In tax, economic, and foreign policy, you pick the best one.

But this is something so fundamental, I can't compromise. For once you start, where do you stop? At what point does the GOP just become the DNC light?

Don't hit me with the "the other guy is worse!" argument. That is a campaign on emotion. Run on the issues, because if you keep screaming "THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION EVER! DON'T LET THE DNC WIN!" while selling out those like me who have values, don't be surprised if we stop trusting you. In short, you are saying that you would vote for Hillary if she had an (R) by her name.

[cspackler]

In short, you are saying that you would vote for Hillary if she had an (R) by her name.

No, because she is basically the polar opposite of everything that I believe in, and she is exactly what we will end up with when we have a bunch of one issue voters running around.

Go ahead, let the rats win. Won't be long before women are given a 30 day grace period to whack their babies after their born. Then you can sit back and be proud of standing up for your beliefs.

My plan, on the other hand, it to fight the battle slowly and take whatever gains we can get. You keep building the momentum and eventually you get where you're wanting to go.

[redgolum]

And voting for a pro murder candidate is polar opposite of what I believe in.

So, if you would not vote for Hillary if she had an (R), what is that line you will not cross? How much would you compromise your beliefs to vote for a candidate?

Go ahead, let the rats win. Won't be long before women are given a 30 day grace period to whack their babies after their born. Then you can sit back and be proud of standing up for your beliefs.

Again, you are stating we should not vote for one candidate because they are pretty bad. That well may be, but why should I vote for candidate X? If the GOP just defines itself as the less evil alternative to the DNC, then the game is up. Tell me why I should vote for a pro abortion candidate, if that is one of my core values. Don't tell me that he is better than the alternative, tell me why I should vote for a pro murder candidate if that is something that is a polar opposite of me.

Again, what are your core beliefs? If you are willing to give them up, are they really your core beliefs or just something your hold because it is convenient?

[cspackler]

If you would actually read my last message, you wuld see what my plan is...

My plan, on the other hand, it to fight the battle slowly and take whatever gains we can get. You keep building the momentum and eventually you get where you're wanting to go.

No, I am not willing to give up my beliefs. That's why I refuse to throw in the towel and give it away. Like I said, if Chet and Hillary win, it will be because of short-sighted people like yourself.

[redgolum]

You didn't answer my question. How much of your core beliefs are you willing to sacrifice to win?

No, I am not willing to give up my beliefs.

But you expect me to?

[cspackler]

But, you are doing so by default.

[redgolum]

How so? Again, how much of your core beliefs are you going to sacrifice to win?

[cspackler]

Look, you can stand by your beliefs, lose, then stand by as another 40 million children are murdered.

Or, you can vote for something else and watch the nuber steadily go down.

Those are your choices, period.

So, you want to see 40 million more die for your beliefs?

[redgolum]

If I vote for someone who is (assuming the article is correct, which it may not be) 100% behind ALL abortions in the first trimester, as opposed to someone is open to all the rest, how many babies would be saved?

Hint, most abortions are in the first trimester.

Let me put it this way. Say that there were to candidates. One wanted absolutely free euthanasia, another only wanted limited euthanasia. Would you vote for the one who only wanted to kill grandpa, or the one who wanted to kill little Johnny if his acne got to bad? Isn't murder always wrong, or only when it is convenient in winning political races.

You are saying by not supporting a pro infanticide candidate, I am supporting a pro infanticide candidate. So I might as well vote for the one who will keep my taxes low.

I will ask you one more time. What core beliefs are you willing to sacrifice to win? What is the line where you will say "This far and no further" in support of the party? If there is no line, nothing you will stand on, then fine. Say it.

[cpforlife.org]

A Brief Catechism for Catholic Voters

Fr. Stephen F. Torraco, PhD

http://ewtn.com/vote/brief_catechism.htm

[cspackler]

I have said it over and over, but your pointy head won't seem to listen. You go whichever way will consistently move you closer to the goal, not further.

Your way will only lead to failure, period. Quit asking me the same damn question when I have answered it over and over.

[Don'tMessWithTexas]

Jim Ross Nussle was trying to be too cute by halves when he filled out that stupid questionaire.

He was trying to indicate that he would sign a bill that would only outlaw abortions in the second the third trimesters, except in cases of rape or incest or if the mother's life is in danger.

Meanwhile, in the questionaire, he indicated that aboritions should be legal in the first trimester. But of course his campaign insists that he is personally against first trimester abortions.

I'm a GOP county co-chair. I am going to demand a clarification of his position. My continued support will be in direct proportion to his clarity. I cannot support a candidate who would allow most aboritions but outlaw only the vast minority. Maybe he's just be pragmatic, maybe he's showing his true colors.

I wonder what VanderPlaats is thinking about this?

[nonliberal]

Check out the Iowa message board: http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/profiles?location=63

I wonder what VanderPlaats is thinking about this?

I understand there is a SERIOUS discussion about this going on in the Nussle camp. They have a lot of damage control to do considering the ICA dinner is this weekend.

We should start a pool as to who will be the first one to hit Nussle with a potato.