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Killing Won’t Win This War [don't let the title fool you]
NY Times' Terrorist Tip Sheet ^
| August 21, 2006
| TERENCE J. DALY
Posted on 08/21/2006 8:13:51 PM PDT by neverdem
THREE years into the Sunni insurgency in Iraq, everyone from slicksleeved privates fighting for survival in Ramadi to the echelons above reality at the Pentagon still believes that eliminating insurgents will eliminate the insurgency. They are wrong.
There is a difference between killing insurgents and fighting an insurgency. In three years, the Sunni insurgency has grown from nothing into a force that threatens our national objective of establishing and maintaining a free, independent and united Iraq. During that time, we have fought insurgents with airstrikes, artillery, the courage and tactical excellence of our forces, and new technology worth billions of dollars. We are further from our goal than we were when we started.
Counterinsurgency is about gaining control of the population, not killing or detaining enemy fighters. A properly planned counterinsurgency campaign moves the population, by stages, from reluctant acceptance of the counterinsurgent force to, ideally, full support.
American soldiers deride winning hearts and minds as the equivalent of sitting around a campfire singing Kumbaya. But in fact it is a sophisticated, multifaceted, even ruthless struggle to wrest control of a population from cunning and often brutal foes. The counterinsurgent must be ready and able to kill insurgents lots of them but as a means, not an end.
Counterinsurgency is work better suited to a police force than a military one. Military forces by tradition, organization, equipment and training are best at killing people and breaking things. Police organizations, on the other hand, operate with minimum force. They know their job cant be done from miles away by technology. They are accustomed to face-to-face contact with their adversaries, and they know how to draw street-level information and support from the populace. The police dont threaten the governments they work under, because they dont have the firepower...
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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: appeasement; cutandrun; defensedepartment; haiti; iraq; mediabias; nytimes; nytreasontimes; treasonmedia
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It seems like an outline for Phase IV operations, maybe an annex?
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posted on
08/21/2006 8:13:52 PM PDT
by
neverdem
To: neverdem
Yes, NY Times, go have some face-to-face time with those terrorists planting that bomb over there. Oh, take your time, no rush, make sure you stay there awhile.
To: neverdem
Stringent population control measures like curfews... Daly gets tough...LOL.
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posted on
08/21/2006 8:17:43 PM PDT
by
ncountylee
(Dead terrorists smell like victory)
To: ncountylee
To: neverdem
I challenge the New Sedition Slimes to name me one war that ended for a reason other one side suffering a sufficient number of deaths to accept ending the fight.
Oh that's right, they want the Islamokazis to win.
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posted on
08/21/2006 8:19:19 PM PDT
by
steveegg
(Let's make the deeply-saddened Head KOmmie deeply soddened in Nov. - deny the 'RATs the election)
To: neverdem
You know, whenever I think the left just can't get any dumber, they never cease to surprise me.
To: KellyAdmirer
"Yes, NY Times, go have some face-to-face time with those terrorists planting that bomb over there."
Yea, the Slimes should head on over to Tehran. Ahkmenajob loves the media/sarc. Well, he and Khomeni don't like criticism in the media, so the NYT will naturally fit right in.
To: neverdem
Killing Wont Win This War You've got to start somewhere.
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posted on
08/21/2006 8:21:24 PM PDT
by
RichInOC
(HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN!! DESTRUCTION ARE ON THE WAY TO YOU. HA HA HA HA....)
To: KellyAdmirer
Great idea--I can't wait to fire up the Internet and see Pinch Sulzberger (sp?) in an orange jumpsuit, kneeling before Islamonazi captors who are about to behead him.
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posted on
08/21/2006 8:21:58 PM PDT
by
Uncle Vlad
(You cannot protect the peoples' civil liberties if you refuse to protect the people.)
To: neverdem
The Baghdad times now operates out of New York city??? Gee, who knew?
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posted on
08/21/2006 8:23:32 PM PDT
by
ladyinred
(Leftists, the enemy within.)
To: neverdem
1st the usual Leftist lie.
"There is a difference between killing insurgents and fighting an insurgency. In three years, the Sunni insurgency has grown from nothing into a force that threatens our national objective of establishing and maintaining a free, independent and united Iraq"
****Snip******
Well as usual the Leftist just out right lies figuring if they keep screaming the lie often enough people will think it is true. Another rabidly stupid article by a partisan political bigot who knows NOTHING at all about facts in Iraq.
Here are three links. The data from Iraq shows this Terrorists Propagandists Daly and his Junk Media cohorts are just lying about Iraq. Our Casualties, the Iraqi Casualties and the growth of the Iraqis Security Forces ALL clearly show an "Insurgency" that is LOSING ground in Iraq. They are losing badly. But as usual, the Junk Media Whores, who care about NOTHING beyond their own domestic political partisanship simply WILL not tell the truth about Iraq.
http://icasualties.org/oif/
http://icasualties.org/oif/IraqiDeaths.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Security_Forces
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1664961/posts?page=1
Then there is this email I got from Mosul.
Iraqi Police in action. Words from Iraq.
Personal stuff cut out......
I could wait to tell you what we saw today. As usual we were doing our routine patrols and as we were heading back to Mares. We saw that the IPs (Iraqi Police) had one of the main roads closed. Shortly after, we realized that they were working on an IED placed on the right of the road exactly where we normally pass by to make a right turn. This people have a great sense of bravery, because even with the limitation on the equipment that they were using to deactivate the IED, this IPs worked with it fearless. There were basically about 7 IPs on the ground, one with binoculars, two with a string with a hook in the middle of it and the rest of them pulling security for the ones working directly with the IED. The technique used to deactivate the IED was merely simple. The used the hook to extract the ignition device away from the round (one 155mm). After the ignition device was away from the round, then extracting the round out of the whole was piece of cake. Im glad and thank God for these men, because it could hit any of our Stryker and cause other tragedy like on February 26, 2006
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posted on
08/21/2006 8:25:40 PM PDT
by
MNJohnnie
(History shows us that if you are not willing to fight, you better be prepared to die)
To: neverdem
Counterinsurgency is work better suited to a police force than a military oneA modern military perhaps, but the Iraqi police are corrupt and failing. We are addressing this now, but have not had the time to get results yet.
The sectarian nonsense is not helpful to a police department either.
The sectarian stuff has got to wind down and end soon.
This author is ignorant as dirt.
To: neverdem
Killing Wont Win This War
WHAT!?? I guess f#cking and producing babies will!!!!!!
To: steveegg
The Brits didn't defeat the IRA by killing every last one. They negotiated a deal.
To: neverdem
Killing the enemy until he can't fight anymore has worked every time it's been tried.
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posted on
08/21/2006 8:29:44 PM PDT
by
Cyber Liberty
(You try 355 days of sunshine per year and tell me how much you like it.)
To: churchillbuff
What part of "sufficient number" did you confuse with "every last one"? The IRA didn't have an ethos of, "There is nothing but victory or death."
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posted on
08/21/2006 8:32:29 PM PDT
by
steveegg
(Let's make the deeply-saddened Head KOmmie deeply soddened in Nov. - deny the 'RATs the election)
To: KellyAdmirer
LOL Better yet, the NYT, which can't even hold on to its customers, is giving the administration military advice. LOL
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posted on
08/21/2006 8:33:21 PM PDT
by
saveliberty
(I'm a Bushbot and a Snowflake :-)
To: neverdem
Not killing will sho' 'nuff lose it though.
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posted on
08/21/2006 8:33:44 PM PDT
by
Mad Dawg
(Reality is not optional.)
To: neverdem
Want see the insurgency end?
Give the Insurgents one city to call their own, pull every American and Iraqi unit away from that city and give them total control over it. Let them celebrate their Victory and then......
Remove it from the face of the earth with the type of total destruction this country is truly capable of.
I guarantee whatever is left will quit and flee Iraq.
But honestly that may not be the plan, the real plan is to kill terrorists in Iraq, and not in downtown Anywhere USA.
Just don't tell the Slimes, let them figure it out on their own.
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posted on
08/21/2006 8:33:50 PM PDT
by
usmcobra
(I got my end of the world underwear on, It's totally stain proof and aluminum.)
To: churchillbuff
The IRA wasn't made up of seventh century death cult members.
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