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North Korea Appears to Be Preparing for Nuclear Test
ABC News ^
| 8/17/06
| JONATHAN KARL
Posted on 08/17/2006 2:28:46 PM PDT by finnman69
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To: jeffers
Keep in mind that in theory they have until the 31st. They volunteered the 22nd date. The religious significance seems to trump all with them.
If they were really smart, they'd wait until after the mid-terms, in the hopes of a Democrat Congress. Doing something before the election guarantees W a friendly congress and increased power in the second half of his term.
To: Marine_Uncle
The problem is that MAD applied equally to the Soviet client states. Castro wasn't going to do jack without Moscow's OK. MAD is based at heart on the theory that "the Russians love their children, too."
Iran and NK have demonstrated that they do not. If they get the weapons, they will use them at a time and place of their choosing. The old theories don't carry as much weight - and if we don't act fast, we will be very, very sorry.
To: Marine_Uncle
One other thought and then I'll take off - the Russians and Chinese view us as competition for resources as much as they view us as potential markets.
It would make their life easier if we were out of commission for awhile - and then had to go back to them hat in hand after they've established themselves. If we're not the world power, they have a better shot of filling that role themselves.
To: Loyolas Mattman
"The only thing I can't get my head around is why W was goofing around on a motorcycle yesterday up in York if nuclear war was in the offing this week." Blair took lots of heat for continuing his vacation during the recent airplane bomb plots and arrests.
I expect we don't know the number of threats, etc these guys hear about daily.
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posted on
08/18/2006 7:01:58 AM PDT
by
blam
To: Loyolas Mattman
I agree, and view the threat level as a high plateau between now and mid September, with smaller spikes on critical days in between.
The Libs are almost humorous, gleefully celebrating "victory" over the wiretap ruling, completely ignoring that with every move Iran and NK make, the chances of an election determined on security issues grows.
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posted on
08/18/2006 7:11:31 AM PDT
by
jeffers
To: blam
I was reading an article in the Post this morning about how "Security Moms" were going to go back to the Dems this election cycle.
My first thought was that if all the stuff we've been talking about here goes down next week, they'll all be back on the bandwagon.
Why deal with politics if the landscape is could change forever next week? It seems like an odd use of time in a crisis situation. Unless the WH doesn't think it's a crisis, in which case we (the US or Israel) could get really blindsided.
I'd hate to think we're sitting passively by, waiting to see what happens. To my mind, if Iran nukes Israel, and we do nothing to stop it, the blood of the new holocaust is on our hands.
To: Loyolas Mattman
"I'd hate to think we're sitting passively by, waiting to see what happens. To my mind, if Iran nukes Israel, and we do nothing to stop it, the blood of the new holocaust is on our hands." Well, I got my order of potassium iodide yesterday.
I'm not guilty of what happens in Israel...not after their performance with Hezbollah.
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posted on
08/18/2006 7:21:19 AM PDT
by
blam
To: blam
Iran has told the world explicitly what they want to do. Signs are pointing in the direction of them backing up that talk.
When are we going to do something about it?
We took down Iraq with a lot less provocation. We had to "build a case" against Iraq with pictures of mobile labs, etc.
In contrast, Iran has copped to the crime and has said they'll do it again...
To: Loyolas Mattman
I can appreciate your thoughts on this issue, and most certainly do not rebutt what you said. I could have written the same scenario regarding MAD verse the eraser head and turban head's view of the world. No problem. But neither of these goons have total control over their countries. If enough NK Intel and other high ranking officials, and conversly enough Mullahs feel their days are really numbered, the two top goons can be silenced. One can place more then one legitimate scenario into play for either of these countries.
Off course in the case of Persia, the game play may be a bit more complicated. Just who and to what number in the ruling 50 or so Mullahs (those in the mystic movement verse the somewhat realists that simply want to continue building up their financial assests, rule, etc.) really want to see their resources taken out should push come to shove.
Guess time will tell. But your statement begs the question... how do we justify nuking either of these countries in a pre-emptive strike.
I gotta run to. Must shower etc., and head off to work.
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posted on
08/18/2006 7:40:39 AM PDT
by
Marine_Uncle
(Honor must be earned)
To: finnman69
Its funny how when GWB put Iran and North Korea into the Axis of Evil, all the know-it-alls either laughed or cringed.
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posted on
08/18/2006 7:45:39 AM PDT
by
trainwriter
(Axis of Evil alive and well)
To: Loyolas Mattman
I'd hate to think we're sitting passively by, waiting to see what happens What choice with 80% of Americans not seeing the danger? If Washington moves to eliminate the danger without being hit hard first, Congress won't fund the effort, not even a dollar. If Washington waits until the Pearl Harbor scenario, then 80% will move past anxiety and into fear and then it is time for action.
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posted on
08/18/2006 9:13:37 AM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
To: finnman69
Oddly, I think the answer to the question, "What does he have to lose?", the ability to blackmail Japan.
Paradoxically an NK decision to test might be just the thing to push Japan to go nuclear--a process that would take about 5 day according to the Japanese Defense Minister. And if Japan went nuclear, it would have full modern thermonuclear devices about the same time it had its first plutonium device: the Japanese atomic energy agency owns 20 of the world's 100 most powerful supercomputers. You don't need supercomputers for reactor designs, you need them to test weapon design w/o actually detonating one.
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posted on
08/18/2006 9:25:02 AM PDT
by
The_Reader_David
(And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
To: RightWhale
Millions shouldn't die because 80% of Americans are morons.
This is the proverbial "perp in a dark alley going for his waistband..." Shoot first, ask questions later.
Not a policy for general application, but it applies here quite well.
To: RightWhale
Two other problems with waiting for Pearl Harbor:
1) The weapons involved are more powerful - a nuke in a civilian area means tens of thousands dead in a blink of an eye. FDR could, in a sense, afford to trade Pearl Harbor, a military target, for entry into the war - assuming he knew what was coming; and
2) The modern media would have the President impeached and convicted within 30 minutes or so if it came out that the government had evidence of a possible nuclear attack and chose to do nothing about it. And, it's not like Iran and NK are hiding their intentions.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I'd rather do...
To: blam
Thanks for the link....looked at it last night , then went to bed ....slept fitfully!
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Dog Gone; dalereed; tubebender
Do you remember Sputnik? Do you remember the stunned silence in this country? Do you remember the rush to improve science education in our "GovernMental Schools" so we could "win the space race?"
If NK lights one off in even a "test," it'll sober up each and everyone of these stupid leftist politicians and judges, to say nothing of the MSM types!!!
Everyone will snap to "attention" and salute our POTUS!!! (I know, I know... it's just wishful thinking!!!)
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posted on
08/18/2006 11:57:32 AM PDT
by
SierraWasp
(The dream ticket for 2008 is Cheney/Allen!!! Let's do it!!! It'll scare the Liberals SPITLESS!!!)
To: tdewey10
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posted on
08/18/2006 12:39:53 PM PDT
by
tdewey10
(Can we please take out iran's nuclear capability before they start using it?)
To: SierraWasp
Do you remember Sputnik?Damn right I remember....I was just a kid a few years out of HS....and taking some math and science classes at the regional college....
To: SierraWasp
Unlike Ernest, I don't remember. I was a little kid. My first recollection of world-changing events was when I pedaled home froms school as fast as I could on my bike to tell my mother that President Kennedy had been "assassecuted."
She already knew, darn it.
To: finnman69
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