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At least the British people get it
The Spectator (U.K.) ^ | 08/19/06 | Leader

Posted on 08/17/2006 11:21:08 AM PDT by Pokey78

In his book The Wisdom of Crowds, James Surowiecki writes that ‘under the right circumstances, groups are remarkably intelligent, and are often smarter than the smartest people in them’. Our poll today shows that the response of the British people to the terror emergency has been robust and clear-sighted. While many in the political and media elite have offered only hand-wringing, point-scoring and a feeble enthusiasm to blame the West for everything, the voters themselves grasp the scale of the threat and the need for a firm response.

As low as their opinion of politicians may be, most of them have not been seduced by the preposterous suggestion that this security alert was an elaborate hoax, a ploy to enable ministers to grab even more powers or divert attention from Lebanon. The British people are innately decent: as our poll shows, they know full well that most Muslims are moderate. But decency is not the same as weakness: the voters also know that militant Islam represents a clear and present danger, and one that is, regrettably, in our midst.

It is more important than ever to understand the origins of that danger; and John Reid, the Home Secretary, was correct in a speech delivered hours before the arrests to say that many still do not ‘get it’. Last weekend a group of Muslim MPs, peers and community organisations published an open letter warning that ‘the government must not ignore the role of its foreign policy’, which allegedly provides ‘ammunition to extremists who threaten us all’. Referring to Iraq and Lebanon, the letter urged the Prime Minister ‘to show the world that we value the lives of civilians wherever they live and whatever their religion’.

Veterans of the Cold War will recognise the old trick of ‘moral equivalence’: the letter implicitly equated a plot to blow up airliners on their way to America with the unintended killing of Lebanese civilians by the Israeli bombardment of Hezbollah. Even worse was the idea that Western ‘foreign policy’ is the cause of Islamist terrorism. It is true, of course, that militant Muslims cite the invasion of Iraq or the action against Hezbollah as justification for their murderous actions — just as they cite the end of the Caliphate, the Balfour Declaration and the creation of Israel. None of these is what lawyers would call the causa causans — the original cause — of 21st-century Islamic terrorism.

At its heart, as Stephen Schwartz argues in this issue, is a terrible mutation of a great world religion: a ferocious system of ideas that seeks theocracy at any price, regards mass murder as divinely ordained and wills not only the destruction of the Jewish state but the overthrow of modern Western society. By definition, those who adhere to such ideas cannot be appeased.

What links the militiamen of Hezbollah with the young British Muslims plotting bloodshed in the country of their birth is contempt for the West and often astonishing reserves of will. Their determination to secure victory — not immediately, but across generations — contrasts alarmingly with the stop-go fickleness of the Western response. In the wake of an attack like 7/7 or a foiled atrocity such as this alleged plot, we hear much tough rhetoric, promises of action, and warnings that the ‘rules of the game have changed’. Then the caravan of politics moves on, and another spree of ‘eye-catching initiatives’ is announced.

David Cameron was right, therefore, to demand ‘firmness and follow-through’ from the government in its strategic response to this emergency. As Leader of the Opposition, he is not only entitled but obliged to insist that the government makes good its promises. The quid pro quo is that the Conservative party must be open-minded when new security measures are proposed, and accept more readily than it has recently that a balance must be struck between the claims of ancestral liberty and the security of the modern citizen. It is not yet clear whether ministers will put their 90-day detention plan before Parliament again. But Tory MPs — so thrilled last year when they defeated the proposal — should consider the new context if they are asked to vote again. The sheer scale of the alleged plot and the disclosure that dozens of compar-able conspiracies are under surveillance illustrates the complexity of the work now being undertaken by the police and security services, most of it covert. Would MPs be comfortable if terrorist suspects walked free after 28 days before such a conspiracy had been completely unravelled?

Similar controversy is already swirling around the issue of ‘passenger profiling’ — the targeting of specific categories of passengers by airport security. In this case, the main criterion should not be whether such a procedure would cause offence to those of Muslim appearance or make life easier for non-Muslims, but whether it would make all passengers safer. The Israeli airline El Al swears by passenger profiling. On the other hand, the presence of at least three Muslim converts among the arrested suspects in this alleged plot suggests that the terrorists may be thinking ahead and looking for ways of slipping through a net that has not even been put in place. Profiling might prove necessary. But it will provide no panacea: in this struggle there are no panaceas.

When a new threat looms it is tempting to deny its existence and to explain it away using old language and outdated analysis. There is never a shortage of commentators claiming de haut en bas that they have seen it all before: firm action is grandly deplored as overreaction, concern as hysteria. No matter: as our poll shows, the British people understand intuitively how much is at stake, and how much more must be done. They, at least, ‘get it’.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
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1 posted on 08/17/2006 11:21:09 AM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78

Perhaps the west is slowly going to start waking up?


2 posted on 08/17/2006 11:25:46 AM PDT by Catholic Canadian (Formerly Ashamed Canadian - thank you Stephen Harper!)
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To: Catholic Canadian

I suggest just start hitting these idiots with a sniper rifle. Take them straight out. Boom. Done.


3 posted on 08/17/2006 11:29:06 AM PDT by steel_resolve (Do you know what a bigot is? Someone winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: Pokey78

I don't know about the British people... but Tony Blair sure "gets it".


4 posted on 08/17/2006 11:29:33 AM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts ("Liberals see what they believe... Conservatives believe what they see")
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To: divine_moment_of_facts
I don't know about the British people

I do; I have lots of very good friends over there, and believe me, they "get it".

6 posted on 08/17/2006 11:37:29 AM PDT by 6323cd ("It is prohibited to make use of such emotional signs in a cellphone!")
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To: Pokey78

Oopsy, somebody woke the bulldog.


7 posted on 08/17/2006 11:37:46 AM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Pokey78
At its heart, as Stephen Schwartz argues in this issue, is a terrible mutation of a great world religion: a ferocious system of ideas that seeks theocracy at any price, regards mass murder as divinely ordained and wills not only the destruction of the Jewish state but the overthrow of modern Western society. By definition, those who adhere to such ideas cannot be appeased.

Mutation?

The welcome and praiseworthy "mutation" of Islam is the idea that "jihad" means an internal spiritual struggle, rather than a command to "smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." (Surah 8:12)

8 posted on 08/17/2006 11:38:00 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Baldur

Illegal immigration is an issue, but it bears pointing out that those involved in 7/7 as well as those arrested last week were mostly, if not all, British citizens by birth.


9 posted on 08/17/2006 11:38:15 AM PDT by Canard
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To: Baldur

You are correct. Any attempt at a serious debate on immigration is shouted down as racist. UK still needs to wake up - or maybe its leaders do, I think many of the ordinary folk 'get it' quite well.


10 posted on 08/17/2006 11:39:39 AM PDT by 1066AD
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To: Pokey78

All rays of hope are most welcome.


11 posted on 08/17/2006 11:41:24 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Baldur

I understand your point, however, Tony Blair IS profiling and IS using surveillance and IS busting terror plots. What is he supposed to do? Ban ALL Muslims?


12 posted on 08/17/2006 11:42:31 AM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts ("Liberals see what they believe... Conservatives believe what they see")
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To: mvpel

Well, I dont know abaout all that.

If one took the bible utterly literally, especially the old testament, its quite easy to justify almost any sort of murder and bloodshed.

Yet, christians, and even jews arent preached to (usually) by their priests that they should massacre unbelievers, and consequently nor do they do so.

Indeed, the old testament reads pretty much like chuck norris jokes.

I say take out the radical preachers. That should do it. If youre allowing men with eyepatches and hooks for hands preach bloody murder in mosques in your own country, how can you expect any less?


13 posted on 08/17/2006 11:48:01 AM PDT by ketelone
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To: mvpel

For example, David 3:29 suggests that anyone who doesnt belive in the hebrew god should be "cut to pieces". I dont really see a lot of people rushing around with machetes... so obviously something is rotten in the preachery system of Islam.

Someone with an agenda is fuelling all this.


14 posted on 08/17/2006 11:51:07 AM PDT by ketelone
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To: Quix
All rays of hope are most welcome.

Amen!

15 posted on 08/17/2006 11:51:28 AM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: Pokey78
At least the British people get it

When surveys show that 808% of the British public either want to conduct the war on terror w/out the US or in greater partnership w/ europe, I'm not so sure they are really with it.

18 posted on 08/17/2006 12:01:46 PM PDT by Tamar1973 (Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.)
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To: Baldur

The vast majority of immigration over the past 5-10 years has been Eastern European, predominantly Catholic and Orthodox Christian


19 posted on 08/17/2006 12:08:30 PM PDT by weegie
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To: ketelone

David 3:29? I'm looking at a full list of all the books of the Old and New Testaments, and I don't see any "David."


20 posted on 08/17/2006 12:17:33 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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