Posted on 08/13/2006 6:15:09 PM PDT by Pokey78
George Bush sometimes sounds more like the Mahdi, preaching jihad against infidels, than the leader of a western democracy. In his regular radio address to the American people on Saturday he linked the British alleged aircraft plotters with Hizbullah in Lebanon, and these in turn with the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan.
All, said the president of the world's most powerful nation, share a "totalitarian ideology", and a desire to "establish a safe haven from which to attack free nations". Bush's remarks put me in mind of a proverb attributed to Ali ibn Abu Talib: "He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere."
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Who is this idiot?
What grievance? They leave their miserable pest holes in the middle east and come to western lands that prosper because of their culture. Now the muzzies have grievances with us? My solution; God remove a race that wishes to exterminate me.
Easily fooled by fools, isn't he?
Those "Islam will rule the world" signs might have started this rumor /sarcasm
I don't see how it could be dangerous.... Unless it were true.
Well, to preach a seious Crusade one needs to have oratorical talents and charisma of Peter the Hermit. And do we have such Peters?
seious=serious. missed key.
He wear the same blinkers that Beatrice and Sidney wore. Oh, the evils colonialism! The fact is that Colonialism in the Middle East was simply Europe's push back for multiple Islamic invasions.
Is Max a faggot? He sure sounds like one.
Look at the fact that the Guardian published this rubbish, and all is explained.
Oh that it were just Marxist rubbish rags like the Guardian, though. I fear that this crap is gaining ground. There really is a third column on the move.
Hastings has been cheering the terrorists since 09-11-01. He is not on our side. And yes, he's going to look good wearing a burqa as he walks along behind Mohammed's camel.
Interesting that Hastings in effect concedes the very point he thinks he is refuting. I could just quit here, the article having self-nullified in the first few paragraphs.
In the eyes of many Muslims, the actions of Bush and Blair have promoted and legitimised al-Qaida in a fashion even its founder could hardly have anticipated a decade ago.
Who are these "many" Muslims? Has he interviewed them? And most importantly, were they innocent and peaceful before?
Bush has chosen tolump together all violent Muslim opposition to what he perceives as western interests everywhere in the world, as part of a single conspiracy. He is indifferent to the huge variance of interests that drives the Taliban in Afghanistan, insurgents in Iraq, Hamas and Hizbullah fighting the Israelis.
Actually, Hastings' thesis appears to be a straw man. It does seem true that Bush is indifferent to the variance of interests between e.g. Taliban and Hezbollah. I am indifferent as well to the variance of interests between these various thugs: I don't give a crap about their varying interests. But being indifferent to their variance of interests is not the same thing as calling them "part of a single conspiracy". All Bush said is that these various groups "share" a "totalitarian ideology", not that they're all taking orders from some central location. Saying that groups share something - have something in common - is not the same thing as saying that they're part of a "single conspiracy", a claim Hastings seems to have invented out of thin air.
. He simply identifies them as common enemies of the United States.
And they're.... not?
The subtext of Hastings' objection is that clearly Hastings thinks that we should not consider some of these groups our enemies and then fight them on that basis. He likes some of these groups; he thinks some of these groups have a point worth listening to & should prevail. The interesting question is, which ones?
Far from acknowledging that any successful strategy for addressing Muslim radicalism must include a just outcome for the Palestinians, he endorses Israel's attempt to crush them and their supporters
My brain hurts. This is too idiotic to be taken seriously enough to reply to it.
The madness of Bush's policy is that he has made a wilful choice to amalgamate the grossly irrational, totalitarian and homicidal objectives of al-Qaida with the just claims of Palestinians and grievances of Iraqis.
What "grievances of Iraqis", pray tell? The Sunnis' "grievance" that they are no longer the top-caste of an autocratic system? Shiite militias' "grievance" that they are not allowed to rule as Iraqi Taliban?
I clicked into this thread because I was curious to learn what a Guardian lefty considered to be "real Muslim grievances". It's fascinating to see that so-called left wingers consider "we don't get to rule autocratically!" to be a compelling "grievance".
This objective will remain elusive as long as the British government supports the United States in pursuing policies that many Muslims perceive as directed against their entire culture.
And of course, as long as they are patted on the head by useful lefty idiots for having that erroneous perception.
As a citizen, I am willing to be resolute in the face of terrorism, which must be defeated. I become much less happy about the prospect of immolation, however, when Bush and Blair translate what should be an ironclad case for civilised values into an agenda of their own which I want no part of.
Boo hoo. "I am willing to be resolute", says the pampered Guardian columnist, in a fluffy piece of rhetoric whose meaning is absolutely nil. And his worrying about his supposed "prospect of immolation" is equally risible. This man quite evidently believes in nothing of the kind.
None of this is real to him in the first place.
We must kill them before they kill us!
He's been a war correspondent and military historian. He's written histories of the Korean War and the Falklands (among other things). I always thought he was an uninspired plodder. Now I know he's an idiot.
Thr truth is Arab governments are behind the fanatics. If they wanted to stop them they could. Anyone who can't see how the fanatics are being used to prop up Arab regimes is a brain dead pacifist.
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