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New Depression Findings Could Alter Treatments
NY Times ^ | August 8, 2006 | BENEDICT CAREY

Posted on 08/11/2006 9:01:19 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: RandallFlagg

Sorry for your loss. My best friend's brother killed himself a couple of years ago the same way. His girlfriend had just broken up with him. It's devastating to any family and I know you'll be asking "why?" for years to come. You have my sympathy.


21 posted on 08/12/2006 4:00:01 AM PDT by strider44
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To: neverdem
Jeez. Anybody with half a brain has KNOWN THIS as FACT for 20 years or more!!!!! Why does it take so long for the Rx's to get it??? Bloody well WED to ERROR> ARGGGG.

oh...non-prescription therapy don't pay the dock fees.

22 posted on 08/12/2006 4:04:03 AM PDT by dasboot
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To: strider44

Thank you.


23 posted on 08/12/2006 4:11:34 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: RandallFlagg

Just this past Monday? I'd be in far too much shock to tie my shoes let alone freep.


24 posted on 08/12/2006 4:13:50 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Yep.
I'm more concerned for my G'Ma and Mom. They were living with him and they both found his body.


25 posted on 08/12/2006 4:16:44 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: RandallFlagg

Sorry to hear that...


26 posted on 08/12/2006 4:24:12 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: dasboot

What non-prescription therapy??

What you hear about these drugs can be scary, one maybe should remember most will talk about bad side effects but ont the good ones.


27 posted on 08/12/2006 4:26:55 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: dynoman
Can't agree that there are any lasting, good effects of psychotheraputic drugs. At best, they provide a fresh coat of paint on a house full of termites. The house falls anyway...sometimes faster.

There is not one chemical compound that I'm am aware of that does not include 'long term, irreversable brain damage' in its list of contraindications in the PDF.

I base my admittedly empirical conclusions upon years of documenting and investigating unattended deaths...including suicides, and years of running a muni lockup...intake and monitoring of arrestees. Then there are the many acquantences and friends who, through the years, have had experiences related to Ritalin and other compounds used on their children, and the long term effects and results of that therapy.

I'm always curious; I ask questions. I've not seen or heard of a productive consequence of drug therapy. Not once...except in short term circumstances...which, unavoidably, went south, in time. Reputed successes are, as far as my prejudices will allow, to be had DESPITE the use of the drugs.

28 posted on 08/12/2006 1:33:43 PM PDT by dasboot
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To: dasboot

I'd love to talke to you more about this.

"There is not one chemical compound that I'm am aware of that does not include 'long term, irreversable brain damage' in its list of contraindications in the PDF. "

Does this include the SSRIs like lexapro, zoloft prozac etc??

What about St John's Wort (or other "natural" serotonin uptake inhibitors) for depression?


29 posted on 08/12/2006 1:55:50 PM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: dynoman
I'll consult the PDF later tonight, and get back at you. There's probably an on line version!

These references I allude to are the result of periodic consultation over the years to look at specific things, and I don't pretend to be an authority. I can sometimes guess correctly the drug and length of time taken by what I observe in an incoming arrestee. This ain't exactly scientific.....but you notice things after a while. And through the years, I get to see the same clients periodically, and observe their progress; and I always inquire, for my own purposes, the status of their treatment. Not part of my job, per se, but it gives us something to chat about. (although I like to know if they're feeling like killing themselves...that is part of my job...keep 'em alive long enough to see the judge)

30 posted on 08/12/2006 2:59:36 PM PDT by dasboot
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To: dasboot

Thanks very much...

What's the PDF?

There seems to be nowhere to turn if you don't want to use SSRIs for depression. I did read that in Germany the vast majority of mild to mid level depression is treated with St John's wort Prozac has 2%.


31 posted on 08/12/2006 4:07:13 PM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: RandallFlagg
Hello,

I am so sorry to hear about your brother, my prayers are with you and your family...

MOgirl
32 posted on 08/12/2006 4:10:55 PM PDT by MOgirl (Democrats: The Culture of Treason (and you know what I'm talkin about!))
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To: dynoman

Physicians' Desk Reference.


33 posted on 08/12/2006 4:36:03 PM PDT by dasboot
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To: dasboot

slip of finger...sorry


34 posted on 08/12/2006 4:39:17 PM PDT by dasboot
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To: dasboot

Ha! PDF..twice...slip of brain. Double sorry. PDR PDR PDR...


35 posted on 08/12/2006 4:41:50 PM PDT by dasboot
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To: RandallFlagg

Oh my! Prayers for you and your family. I can't imagine the pain you must be feeling right now.

Please keep on FReeping. You know you have A LOT of support here. God bless you during this awful, terrible time.


36 posted on 08/12/2006 4:59:31 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: MOgirl; mplsconservative; All

Thank you both. Thank you all.
I'm just trying to get back in the saddle. My family needs me to stay strong. So far, so good.


37 posted on 08/12/2006 7:51:42 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: dynoman

Thank you.


38 posted on 08/12/2006 7:52:44 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: RandallFlagg; Pegita

We need some prayer warriors for our FRiend Randall here. His loss is great.

Pegita, I humbly ask that you ping your lists.


39 posted on 08/12/2006 8:54:49 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: CalvaryJohn

I make sure I take my B-100, and my multiple vitamin every day. Coffee helps, and I'm good to go.

I pull weeds, prune roses trim shrubbery, and just get moving into life.

Everyone can be depressed if all we do is sit around and watch TV, becoming so self absorbed, depression will set right in.

I'm up every morning at 4:45. I work and don't have time for that kind of thing.


40 posted on 08/12/2006 9:00:32 PM PDT by television is just wrong (our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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