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ACLU v. the cross
renewamerica.us ^ | July 21, 2006 | Michael Gaynor

Posted on 07/26/2006 2:04:36 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

The American Civil Liberties Union, that bastion of secular extremism, is fighting hard to bring down the Mt. Soledad Memorial Cross (part of the veterans memorial in San Diego, California built in 1954 as a memorial to veterans of the Korean War). As usual, the ACLU is not about to let the truth, America's religious history or constitutional intent get in its way as it backs atheist Philip Paulson, who brought a lawsuit in 1989 to force removal of an object that is anathema to Satan, Osama bin Laden and him (among others).

On July 19, 2006, the House of Representatives, the legislative body closest to the people, passed a bill (H.R. 5863) to transfer ownership of the veterans memorial to the federal government, 349 to 74.

Congressman Duncan Hunter, Republican of California representing the people of San Diego: "Today's vote is promising news in the effort to preserve the Mount Soledad Veterans Memorial and brings us one step closer to permanently securing this historic landmark's place in San Diego County."

Richard Thompson, President and Chief Counsel for the Thomas More Law Center: "The overwhelming support for this bill demonstrates that the ACLU and the liberal judges who support the ACLU's anti-Christian agenda are out of touch with America. No doubt, the ACLU will return to its liberal judges to try to undo, once again, the democratic process and the will of the people. However, an effective coalition of veterans groups, political leaders, and public interest organizations is developing to stop them."

President Bush issued a "Statement of Administration Policy" "strongly" supporting H.R. 5683 and stating in part: "In the face of legal action threatening the continued existence of the current Memorial, the people of San Diego have clearly expressed their desire to keep the Mt. Soledad Veterans Memorial in its present form. Judicial activism should not stand in the way of the people, and the Administration commends Rep. Hunter for his efforts in introducing this bill."

Charles LiMandri, the west coast director of the Thomas More Law Center, emphasized the national significance of the case: "This case is one that should concern all Americans. It is a direct attack on our national heritage, and it is an attack that is occurring on our own soil. The ACLU and its minions, with the help of activist judges, seek to destroy what our Founding Fathers created-One Nation Under God."

Senator Jeff Sessions, Republican of Alabama, introduced a Senate bill identical to H. R. 5683. it should be passed swiftly.

ACLU lies must be exposed, so that they do not give Senators an excuse to stall.

Examples: In a letter to the House of Representatives opposing H.R. 5683, the ACLU misstated important facts and misrepresented the law.

ACLU lie: "service members are unable to choose their symbols when, as in Mt. Soledad, the government erects a 43-foot Latin cross upon public property."

Fact: the memorial cross was erected by a private organization; many family members, friends, and comrades of those buried there honored their dead by placing nearly 2,000 memorial plaques at the foot of the cross; and many of the plaques contain the Star of David, honoring fallen Jewish veterans.

ACLU lie: "Chief Justice Rehnquist, Justice Scalia, and Justice White joined Justice Kennedy in noting that Latin crosses on government property violate the Constitution."

Fact: The ACLU's basis for that specious claim is dicta in a dissent written by Justice Kennedy in which he hypothetically claimed that the Establishment Clause would forbid "a city to permit the permanent erection of a large Latin cross on the roof of city hall." Unsurprisingly, the ACLU chose not to note that Justice Kennedy was dissenting from a decision in which liberal, activist justices held that it was unconstitutional for the government to display a Nativity scene at a county courthouse. In his dissent, Justice Kennedy stated that the ACLU-backed majority decision to remove the display "reflects an unjustified hostility toward religion, a hostility inconsistent with our history and our precedents." Significantly, it was Justice Kennedy who recently issued the stay to prevent the removal of the memorial cross until all of the legal appeals had been exhausted.

Robert Muise, a Thomas More Law Center trial attorney working on this case, ridiculed the ACLU's malignant misrepresentation: "Any first-year law student knows that dicta is not the law, particularly dicta from a dissenting opinion that does not directly address the legal issue at stake. The ACLU's misrepresentations may work on activist judges, but they are not fooling the American public or Congress. This case is plainly exposing the ACLU's anti-Christian agenda."

The good news is that earlier this year Justice Samuel A. Alito, Jr. replaced Justice Sandra Day O'Connor. That development appears to have resulted in the United States Supreme Court's recent intervention in the long legal battle over the constitutionality of having the Mt. Soledad Cross (a Latin cross) on city-owned land: Justice Kennedy issuing a stay of a federal judge's ruling ordering the City of San Diego to remove the Cross by August1 or face fines of $5,000 per day. Three years ago, the United States Supreme Court refused to consider the dispute.

Voters, take note of how your representative voted, demand that your Senators act immediately to save the Cross, and go to the polls and show those who want to bring down the Cross that, in America, "one nation, under God," God's people, not the secular extremists, are the boss and what is good for America is the ACLU's loss.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Alabama; US: California
KEYWORDS: aclu; churchandstate; communists; cross; liberallosers; mtsoledad; mtsoledadcross; sandiego; soledadcross
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1 posted on 07/26/2006 2:04:40 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I ave said and stil say that evey alcu member should be hung from the nearest telephone pole or tree. The alcu was founded for the purpose of destroying the United States of America by using the laws of the United States against it. It has never deviated one 1,000,000 of an inch from that goal.

Either the United States as we know it or the alcu will be destroyed. There is no third option.


2 posted on 07/26/2006 2:17:21 PM PDT by sport (cognizes)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Given that this is a memorial dedicated, in major part, to dead soldiers and sailors, the demand that it be removed is, by definition, ghoulish.

Each and every judge who ruled favorably on the complaint should not only be removed from the bench, he or she should also be subjected to an intense psychiatric examination, and if possible, restrained from mixing with the general public.

When you have a judiciary that reduces itself to grave robbing and desecration of the dead, it's probably better that we not have a judiciary.

3 posted on 07/26/2006 2:22:17 PM PDT by muawiyah (-/sarcasm)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I just wonder these ACLU moonbats think where they enjoy their freedom from, Michael Moore or George Soros!!! They want to take down what reminds us from veteran who has built and protected this d*mn country with their sacrifice... I need to stop before I'll be taken off the board for profanity!!! SIGH...


4 posted on 07/26/2006 2:25:58 PM PDT by Toidylop
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To: Toidylop

Boy howdy do I share your feelings. I sincerely hope that the Senate acts quickly to protect that memorial. If the aclu doesn't get slapped down the next thing they are going to go after is crosses in cemetaries!


5 posted on 07/26/2006 2:28:33 PM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: Tailgunner Joe

ACLU=American Communist Liberation Unit.


6 posted on 07/26/2006 2:30:45 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The REAL problem I have is that we are subsidizing these @ssholes. Like being a Christian told to buy a own lion for the Colosseum!
8 posted on 07/26/2006 2:34:46 PM PDT by Bommer
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To: Sunshine Sister

You think they would at least have a decency to leave something as sacred as the veteran memorial alone... What else do they want to destroy this country? I'm sure EVERYONE know by now what ACLU really believe!!! These moonbats need to be exposed for what they are: MAGGOTS of society.


9 posted on 07/26/2006 2:38:44 PM PDT by Toidylop
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To: Tailgunner Joe

What a bunch of commie atheist bastards! dont hang them... shoot them.the founder of the aclu was a communist and it seems the group follows this pretty close.


10 posted on 07/26/2006 2:42:01 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: sport
i have read where the aclu was start to defend the Communist back in the 1920s???
11 posted on 07/26/2006 3:23:33 PM PDT by camas
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To: imahawk

FTACLU!!!


12 posted on 07/26/2006 3:24:27 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: Tailgunner Joe
A cross on a hill does not establish a religion. An act by Congress does.

Congress shall pass no law to establish a religion, or limit the free exercise thereof.

So, take that Cross down and you break my Constitution (God given rights) by limiting the free exercise thereof.
13 posted on 07/26/2006 3:32:23 PM PDT by do the dhue (I hope y'all will help bail me out of jail after I dot Hack Murtha's eyes.)
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To: imahawk
They tried this stuff all the time when I was an M.D. in the Army.

It woke my lazy tail up and I realized their goal was to use judges to rewrite the meaning of the Constitution to suit their selfish political goals. Coming from a Catholic school, I did not see the perversions they had infiltrated into the public schools. They now run the public schools.

They hate God and they want to use the schools and the judges to shape the culture to hate God instead of our history of honoring God.

The ACLU and their enablers simply ignore any law that conflicts with their elitist notions, and left wing judges are more than willing to fulfill their every command.

14 posted on 07/26/2006 3:33:52 PM PDT by gunsofaugust (Moral liberals are the most repulsive excrement.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I spent some time up there, it is very beautiful. Even secular people come to reflect. You see people praying, playing an instrument, or talking.

God is at work.

No wonder the ACLU is ticked off. But don't worry, they can't kill God - as much as they want to do so.

15 posted on 07/26/2006 3:37:59 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Tailgunner Joe

ACLU v. the Cross??? I'm PRETTY sure The CROSS will win!!


16 posted on 07/26/2006 4:15:20 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: Thunder90

ACLU = Anti Christian Lawyers Union


17 posted on 07/26/2006 4:20:19 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane


I have yet to find the words 'separation of church and state' in my Constitution. The phrase was penned after the Constitution was written. Thomas Jefferson said in a letter written to a Baptist Preacher, "the First Amendment has erected a wall of separation between church and state."

IMHO, I believe that the problem in the day was State run Churches. Jefferson wanted to make sure that the State did not force people to go to one church or the other. He wanted to make sure that we had religious freedoms. That is why the next part of the first Amendment that separates the Church and State, 'or limit the free exercise there of.'

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Congress can not make me or you go to church, any church. And Congress can not limit the free exercise of religion. Every time a kid is told he can not say God in school or a prayer, the free exercise of religion has been limited. That cross comes down and the Constitution has been made null and void.

The commies best argument for the 'separation of Church and State' is the following:The fact that we became a nation and immediately separated church and state—it has saved us from all the misery that has beset mankind with inquisitions, internecine and civil wars, and other assorted ills.

I'm beginning to hear Tom Jefferson again. What's that Tom? You say, "the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." I'm hearing you Tom.

Believers need to band together. All peacefull religions who live in America under the umbrella of free religion, should stand up for their belief or the Commies are gonna come take it away. Laugh if you want, but it is happening. I believe my God gave me free choice and I have no right to take that away from a non believer or another believer (just don't hurt nobody terrorist), and I am glad to live peacefully with others. Others might laugh a lil at me and I might do the same, but I would not take their free choice away. Free choice is the first gift to man and I think it is worth fighting for.

I think the Cross on the hill is worth fighting for. 3000,000 people drive by it everyday and they have the freedom to believe in any God they choose or no God at all. The Cross hurts no one and might even help a few. Take it down and the free exercise of Religion has been limited and the Constitution broken.

And that is worth fighting for (I'm not advokating a Crusade, but if you want we can take a vote on it).

Your Constitution and your freedom means everything. We are fighting for it in Afghanistan and Iraq. Someone needs to fight for it back home.

Sorry to ramble on, but I am so mad I am becoming so I better be quiet 'for I get in trouble again.


18 posted on 07/26/2006 5:27:48 PM PDT by do the dhue (I hope y'all will help bail me out of jail after I dot Coward Dean's eyes.)
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To: Coleus; ValerieUSA
Ping!
19 posted on 07/26/2006 10:57:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Any enemy of the ACLU is a friend of mine.


20 posted on 07/26/2006 11:02:04 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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