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Hillary Clinton says Bush years 'hard on science' (@ World Transplant Congress)
Boston Globe ^ | 7/23/06 | Mark Pratt

Posted on 07/23/2006 9:55:04 PM PDT by Libloather

Clinton says Bush years 'hard on science'
By Mark Pratt, Associated Press Writer
July 23, 2006

BOSTON --New York Sen. Hillary Clinton said Sunday that scientific and medical advances in fields including embryonic stem cell research are being held back by a White House that puts ideology and theology ahead of facts and evidence.

"The last 5 1/2 years have been hard on science ... and particularly hard because of the president's veto last week," Clinton told 5,000 attendees at the World Transplant Congress in Boston.

**SNIP**

Clinton, a potential Democratic candidate for president in 2008, said science is being politicized while scientific evidence is being manipulated.

"It seems there are some in Washington who want to turn our capital into an evidence-free zone," the former first lady said at the Hynes Convention Center.

She co-sponsored legislation that would allow for federal funding for research on new stem cell lines, and was ultimately vetoed Bush.

**SNIP**

Clinton said supporters of the bill don't have enough votes to overturn the veto, but she pledged to push the measure again next year.

"We have tried to make decisions based on evidence and facts, not on ideology, not on theology," she said. "But right now we are seeing that at risk, and for me that is a dangerous turning point."

Clinton urged attendees, representing 85 nations, to stand up for science. Partnerships between the government and academic and research institutions are vital to the health of the economy.

**SNIP**

"I told her after she inspired even an old conservative like me," said Cosimi, who is chief of transplantation at Massachusetts General Hospital. "Everything she said was quite true, well informed and well delivered."

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; clinton; congress; elections; hard; hillary; rats; science; transplant; world; years
World Transplant Congress

Is that where you go to get advice on how to run for office in NY when you're really from a few other states?


Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., speaks at the World Transplant Congress 2006, a conference focusing on topics in the field of transplantation medicine at John B. Hynes Convention Center in Boston, Sunday, July 23, 2006. (AP Photo/Chitose Suzuki)

1 posted on 07/23/2006 9:55:08 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

,,,,,,"hard on science"????...I thought that was her husband's field of expertise


2 posted on 07/23/2006 9:58:25 PM PDT by Armigerous ( Non permitte illegitimi te carborundum- "Don't let the bastards grind you down")
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To: Libloather

What "facts and evidence" does Hitlery have to support embryinc stem cell research?

Maybe it's just her blood lust...


3 posted on 07/23/2006 9:59:36 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Armigerous

hmmm,

I would be curious how many patents, new technologies and other scientific breakthroughs by the United States stack up against the rest of the world during the Bush years.

Whenever these liberal dopes open their mouths and say all knowing garbarge like this, almost always the data shows the opposite.


4 posted on 07/23/2006 10:00:33 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Libloather
"It seems there are some in Washington who want to turn our capital into an evidence-free zone," the former first lady said at the Hynes Convention Center.

You mean like you and Bill in the White House?

5 posted on 07/23/2006 10:01:05 PM PDT by RichInOC (Hillary Clinton is a lying slag.)
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To: Libloather

The Clinton years were hard on interns.


6 posted on 07/23/2006 10:01:43 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Libloather
" ... and particularly hard because of the president's veto last week,"

How does a veto last week hurt the previous 5 1/2 years of science? Through the use of the Karl Rove Time Dilation and Window-Cleaning Machine?

The freaking stupidity of this woman still manages to surprise me, considering how her fans keep telling us how smart she is.

7 posted on 07/23/2006 10:02:43 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (http://www.savethesoldiers.com/)
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To: Aussie Dasher
They ignore the science when it comes to when life begins.
Also how does she feel about her husband vetoing partial birth abortion ban twice.
8 posted on 07/23/2006 10:02:55 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: CaptainK

Not as hard as they were on cigars.


9 posted on 07/23/2006 10:03:01 PM PDT by RichInOC ("It tastes good."-Bubba)
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To: Brimack34

That's where "blood lust" comes in, although with BJ any lust will suffice!


10 posted on 07/23/2006 10:04:27 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Libloather

Hillary and "hard on." The two just don't go together.


11 posted on 07/23/2006 10:06:05 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: Libloather

Lets advance to the point where everybody can live to be 105, of course it will be a miserable existance after you hit 90, but than the government can have the excuse to take 70% of your wages.


12 posted on 07/23/2006 10:06:13 PM PDT by John Lenin (It was like going to church, except Ozzy Osbourne was there)
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To: Libloather

She's got a real purtee mouth!


13 posted on 07/23/2006 10:08:03 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: Libloather

So raising moral qualms about the destruction of human embryos is "politicizing" and "anti-science"? Intolerance, thy name is Democrat!


14 posted on 07/23/2006 10:12:12 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Libloather

Hillary is truely heading downhill fast. Her face is taking on a more reptilian look day after day now.


15 posted on 07/23/2006 10:19:41 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Libloather


Heeeelp!!!
16 posted on 07/23/2006 10:21:12 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: Unam Sanctam
Didn't Bush double and then redouble funding for the NIH? major AIDS initiative, propose huge Bird Flu plan including new flu vaccine research and pass prescription drug for seniors? What is the science component of Clinton's one legislative initiative, the Family and Medical Leave Act? Also, I think Hilary ruined the American vaccine biz.

She's a liar, as we all kknow.

17 posted on 07/23/2006 10:22:36 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Libloather

Liberals like Clinton who are in academia love to sit around and fiddle with pointless "problems", listen to and discuss NPR, and complain about how the NSF isn't providing enough funds for basic research. And they ALWAYS say research with the emphasis on search, and without a hard E in the first syllable. No matter how much money they get, they still aren't getting enough for their all-important research. And the national labs are an even bigger scam than the universities. They have people who show up for work around 11 AM, read email, eat lunch, take a nap, and go home around 4, while making aobut 120K per year for their "efforts".


18 posted on 07/23/2006 10:24:43 PM PDT by MichiganConservative (Government IS the problem.)
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To: Libloather

It is President Bush who has the vision and plan of sending man to Mars. You can't get more scientific than that.


19 posted on 07/23/2006 10:26:52 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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Euginics alert!

No excuse is
needed for treating this subject in some detail; for, as the German
philosopher Schopenhauer remarks, "the final aim of all love
intrigues, be they comic or tragic, is really of more importance
than all other ends in human life. What it all turns upon is nothing
less than the composition of the next generation.... It is not the
weal or woe of any one individual, but that of the human race to come,
which is here at stake."*

* "Schopenhauer and Darwinism," in Journal of Anthropology, Jan.,
1871, p. 323.

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/charles_darwin/descent_of_man/chapter_20.html


20 posted on 07/23/2006 10:31:18 PM PDT by budlt2369
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To: CaptainK
Well, given Bill's heart problems, he was probably only semi hard on interns.

Man oh man, somebody better do something about the bags under the carpetbaggers eyes in the next 12 months. She's got some serious baggage.

21 posted on 07/23/2006 10:36:59 PM PDT by kylaka
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To: Darkwolf377
How does a veto last week hurt the previous 5 1/2 years of science?

I wish I could hurt like this:

Total NIH budget:
FY 2000: $17,820,587,000
FY 2006: $28,461,417,000

Total non-defense Federal support for R & D
FY 2001: $41,043,000,000
FY 2006: $52,862,000,000

These Democrat scumbags will say anything to get elected.

-ccm

22 posted on 07/23/2006 10:56:22 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: budlt2369

eugenics


23 posted on 07/23/2006 10:58:29 PM PDT by budlt2369 (Darwin defending his philosophy. How can you attack him? Just because he wants to murder you?)
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To: budlt2369

The great break in the organic chain between man and his nearest
allies, which cannot be bridged over by any extinct or living species,
has often been advanced as a grave objection to the belief that man is
descended from some lower form; but this objection will not appear
of much weight to those who, from general reasons, believe in the
general principle of evolution. Breaks often occur in all parts of the
series, some being wide, sharp and defined, others less so in
various degrees; as between the orang and its nearest allies-
between the Tarsius and the other Lemuridae- between the elephant, and
in a more striking manner between the Ornithorhynchus or Echidna,
and all other mammals. But these breaks depend merely on the number of
related forms which have become extinct. At some future period, not
very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will
almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout
the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor
Schaaffhausen has remarked,* will no doubt be exterminated. The
break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it
will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may
hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon,
instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/charles_darwin/descent_of_man/chapter_06.html


24 posted on 07/23/2006 11:02:56 PM PDT by budlt2369 (Darwin defending his philosophy. How can you attack him? Just because he wants to murder you?)
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To: ccmay
It's really laughable. I had a liberal talking to me about how education was hurting under Bush because No Child Left Behind was "just political"--he had no further explanation, just that it was "just political" and what more had to be said about it?

I laughed at him and said nothing. How do you have a discussion with someone who thinks he knows it all because he was hanging with his fellow teachers and got the stock answers down pat and let that be a substitute for thinking?

25 posted on 07/23/2006 11:03:02 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (http://www.savethesoldiers.com/)
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To: All

Can we send socialist pigs to the rings around uranus?


26 posted on 07/23/2006 11:05:22 PM PDT by budlt2369
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To: potlatch; ntnychik; PhilDragoo


ping -


27 posted on 07/23/2006 11:05:58 PM PDT by devolve (fx 9125_AMERICANS_KILLED_2003_BY_ILLEGALS MEX_ILLEGAL_GOT_911_TERRORISTS_ID NO_NUEVO_TEJAS)
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To: mass55th
Hillary and "hard on." The two just don't go together.

No they don't.


28 posted on 07/23/2006 11:08:47 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: Liberty Valance

She looks beat. She's my wife's age, and my missus looks a lot better.


29 posted on 07/23/2006 11:09:55 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: kylaka

I just saw the movie "Word Play" and there is a small segment with Slick. He has a matching set under the eyes.

They probably keep each other up by annoying the sleep out of the other.


30 posted on 07/23/2006 11:10:20 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: devolve
"We have tried to make decisions based on evidence and facts, not on ideology, not on theology,"

Maybe that's because she doesn't have any, lol.

Her ideology is communistic and her theology is just for show.

31 posted on 07/23/2006 11:14:10 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: CaptainK

In the Russian revolution, Tsarist centralisation and oppression of the peasantry were succeeded by a more powerful Marxist-Leninist centralisation and the physical liquidation of the peasantry under Stalin.
'Nations as well as men', de Tocqueville observed, 'almost always betray the most prominent features of their future destiny in their earliest years." The distinguishing feature of Prussia had always been its Army, the distinguishing feature of the Prussian Army its discipline. In the eighteenth century Prussia was described not as a state supporting an army but as an army supporting a state. As soldiers existed to serve the state. The more the materialist or plainly subversive attitudes were spread with the growth of industry, the more the Prussian ruling class, feeling threatened, exaggerated their state-centred warrior code.

Its expression changed with the changing intellectual world of the nineteenth century. Darwin had the most striking effect. 'The struggle for existence' and 'the survival of the fittest' had obvious resonances in a soldier state. Darwin's cousin, Francis Galton, helped to focus them by applying the principles of selection to human society. Arguing that medicine and civilisation acted against natural selection by protecting the unfit and eroding the pressure to adapt, he proposed that human breeding be guided to favour the better stock. He called his porposals Eugenics.

Nietzsche raised Galton's pseudo-science into moral (or super-moral) philosophy. Assuming that traditional ideas of God were myths and Christian morality a set of myths designed by the weak to protect themselves against the strong, a 'slave morality' that tamed, weakened, emasculated the vigorous natural impulses of man, he maintained that nothing was true, hence everything was permitted - a theory of relativity in values that naturally followed the removal of any fixed points of reference such as God or morality. He destroyed the logic of the argument - not that he valued logic or reason - by assuming that the theory of evolution was true and that, while the laws of morality were a tissue of inventions, the laws of heredity were also true. Thus he defined truth - and in the most unsubtle, unscientific and materialistic manner. However, it permitted him to insert, in place of God, man as evolved into Superman. Put another way, if there was not God - and evidently there was not – there was no will of God, only man’s will.

Schopenhauer had previously identified will as the reality behind all apperances - not individual will, that was an illusion, but a vast universal will which permeated all creation. Man's will was a fraction of this cosmic will, part of the oneness of the universe. Nietzsche defined the universal will - which in Schopenhauer had no end or purpose - in a Darwinistic sense as the will to power: "This world is the will to power - and nothing else.' He defined the Superman who must necessarily result from the will to power when everything is permitted as the antithesis of the masses, whom he called the 'bungled and botched'. The Superman conquered and ruled the masses as he conquered and ruled himself, the world, even destiny, to become master of the world.

It is no coincidence that Nietzsche's hero was Bonaparte. His Superman is little more than the idealisation or fantasy of the warrior-hero and Supermachiavelli combined, employing violence and cunning, cruelty and crime, although there was no conventional 'crime' in Nietzsche's system - only the will to power.

Nietzsche went mad in 1888. He was, of course, mad all the time; his writings were inspired revelations from the deepest subconscious levels of his own pysche which mirrored the culture that produced him. Since that culture was about to burst forth on the world stage they were also extraordinary books of prophecy touched with genius. That he was not a Prussian Junker, but the bourgeois son of a Protestant pastor, or that others from other cultures expressed similar views are beside the point. He was expressing in extreme, grotesque form the masculine, martial code that inspired Bismarck in the Prussian Wars of unification, and by stirring in the new 'laws' of evolutionary biology justified intellectually the compulsions of a warrior caste. Had his visions not corresponded to those of his countrymen he would not have spawned so many in his own image;

Some of the most pernicious of these concerned breeding to produce a race of Supermen. Nietzsche proposed choosing the best racial specimens for breeding, but prohibiting the reproduction of the unfit, sterilising criminals and annihilating misfits. Such a programme of 'race hygiene' was espoused towards the end of the century by Alfred Ploetz, who prefaced his book THE FITNESS OF OUR RACE with a quotation from Nietzsche, 'Upward leads our way from the Species into the Superspecies'. Ploetz followed Galton and his English successors in seeing disease as a positive selecting out of the unfit, hence like them he perceived a fundamental contradiction between mordern medicine and the health of the race. Since the race stood higher in his order of things than the individual, he proposed that the health of the individual be subordinated to race hygiene. In 1904 he founded the Society for Race Hygiene which sought to publicise practical ways in which this principle could be realized; they included new marriage laws and a new concept of sexual morality which would encourage the most fit to propagate the greatest number of children. Combined with the sterilization of the Minderwertigen, or inferior specimens, this would breed in the best, select out the worst and so improve the racial gene pool. The highest race was assumed to be the white race, the highest branch the Aryan. Aryans were to bred like stallions into a Superspecies.

Padfield "Himmler" pg 32-33


32 posted on 07/23/2006 11:14:22 PM PDT by budlt2369
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To: Cobra64

Well, that depends. Reno's actually a man, isn't he?


33 posted on 07/23/2006 11:17:11 PM PDT by RichInOC (...oops, did I say that out loud? Bad Rich. BAD Rich.)
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To: RichInOC

Who the hell knows what Reno is. I don't see either sex wanting to have sex with "it."


34 posted on 07/23/2006 11:19:29 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: budlt2369

bttt


35 posted on 07/23/2006 11:21:23 PM PDT by perfect stranger (I need new glasses)
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To: potlatch

36 posted on 07/23/2006 11:22:33 PM PDT by devolve (fx 9125_AMERICANS_KILLED_2003_BY_ILLEGALS MEX_ILLEGAL_GOT_911_TERRORISTS_ID NO_NUEVO_TEJAS)
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To: devolve

Very nice, can I get in trouble from blinking text?


37 posted on 07/23/2006 11:25:14 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Libloather

Obsequious leftist hatelary rodhamster placemarker ...


38 posted on 07/23/2006 11:34:33 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Armigerous

ROFLMAO


39 posted on 07/24/2006 1:17:48 AM PDT by Roy Tucker
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To: Libloather

Current treatments by ESC = 0
Current treatments by ASC = dozens


40 posted on 07/24/2006 2:23:22 AM PDT by Renkluaf
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To: Libloather
Hillary Clinton says Bush years 'hard on science'

For the first time, I agree with her! Certainly not enough research into.... liposuction!


41 posted on 07/24/2006 2:49:46 AM PDT by Watery Tart (Sadly, even some Democrats are morans... --DU English major 6/9/2006)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

I was thinking the same thing. When does the mask come off and we see the real space alien that lies beneath?


42 posted on 07/24/2006 3:48:49 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Libloather
"It seems there are some in Washington who want to turn our capital into an evidence-free zone," the former first lady...

< cough>Whitewater billing records.< /cough>

43 posted on 07/24/2006 3:54:25 AM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: All



What a *lying* sociopath slut!!!!


44 posted on 07/24/2006 4:13:44 AM PDT by NickatNite2003
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To: Libloather
The last 5 1/2 years have been hard on science ... and particularly hard because of the president's veto last week," Clinton told 5,000 attendees at the World Transplant Congress in Boston.

I guess she has conveniently forgotten how it was HER HUSBAND who cancelled the SuperConducting Super Collider in Texas claiming it was over budget. He then spent MORE tax dollars to fill in the hole with concrete (so no one else could ever use it or benefit from it) and spent MORE tax dollars to do that than had previously been spent on the entire project!!!

Hitlary suffers from VERY selective memory!!!
45 posted on 07/24/2006 5:04:47 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Watery Tart

I've always liked Mancow's description of Hillary's legs: Upside-down piano legs.

46 posted on 07/24/2006 6:41:19 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: Libloather

Hey HildaBeast! I am tired of your nasty little mouth spewing out lies! Your Husband, the Sexual Predator, canceled the Waxahachie Linear Accelerator which was to study nuclear fusion! Because of your husband the USA is now 16 years behind in fusion research! Now sit down and STFU!


47 posted on 07/24/2006 7:58:00 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Libloather

48 posted on 07/24/2006 11:56:20 AM PDT by redstates4ever
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