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Tear Down the Mt. Soledad Cross [Barf Alert]
LA Times ^ | 7/15/06 | LAT Editorial Board

Posted on 07/15/2006 4:00:11 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom

The 43-foot San Diego landmark represents clear government favoritism toward one religion.

THE GRACEFUL SIMPLICITY of the towering cross atop a San Diego hill belies its convoluted history. It starts with a small wooden cross erected on the city-owned hill nearly 100 years ago, apparently for Easter sunrise services. Atop 822-foot Mt. Soledad, there is little to block the first rays of the sun.

Over the years, crosses were vandalized or blown down and replaced; the current version was erected in 1954. It is a striking sight, visible from Interstate 5 and surrounded by an imposing spiked-top fence.

In 1989, a veteran and atheist filed suit against the city of San Diego, contending that the cross amounts to a 43-foot-tall constitutional violation. Lawyers for the city have long said the current cross is a war memorial, though some maps continue to refer to it as the Mt. Soledad Easter Cross. And any references to veterans or lost soldiers were not present at the site when the suit was filed. In the years since, as the plaintiff has won every significant legal decision, the cross has been the subject of three voter referendums, countless municipal and federal resolutions and endless debate.

In the end, none of this matters. Whether viewed as a war memorial, an icon or a place of worship, the cross is an extremely visible symbol of one religion. It occupies arguably the most prominent piece of public real estate in the city, which is in a state where the Constitution is even more exacting than the U.S. Bill of Rights about the separation of church and state.

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: ac; cross; culturewars; laslimes; lat; mediabias; mtsoledadcross; persecution; religion; sandiego
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What a sad state of affairs when a cross that has inspired or been admired by millions of people over the years has to be torn down because one person was looking to make a name for himself by being "offended."
1 posted on 07/15/2006 4:00:13 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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2 posted on 07/15/2006 4:01:37 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (NUTS!)
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Yeah this action really fits in with freedom of religion. /s


3 posted on 07/15/2006 4:02:33 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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"Looking" at the cross offends them. Give me a break!

Hey! Just don't look at it! Case closed.

How long before they go after the thousands of white crosses in Flanders Field and Arlington National Cemetery?

4 posted on 07/15/2006 4:10:10 AM PDT by REPANDPROUDOFIT
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It's on their to do list.


5 posted on 07/15/2006 4:12:42 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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stupid flanders...


6 posted on 07/15/2006 4:14:10 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Inscribe it with Bible verses.....in Spanish...see what happens...


7 posted on 07/15/2006 4:26:34 AM PDT by Dallas59
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Favoritism is not a Constitutional problem. Congress "shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." Congress can do a lot of "favoring" without running afoul of this clause.


8 posted on 07/15/2006 4:46:09 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: mainepatsfan
Seperation of church and state.

The most abused, and misunderstood concept in the United States.

Ignorance is bliss in regards to these people.

Sheesh!

9 posted on 07/15/2006 4:49:16 AM PDT by Northern Yankee ( Stay The Course!)
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Chill out rabid atheist....soon enough you will inherit the eternal nirvana free from all the Cross symbols forever..... only instead you will be lamenting for He who hung on one so you would not be where you wound up but you refused the gift....but it's really the wall of separation between heaven vs hell.


10 posted on 07/15/2006 4:57:22 AM PDT by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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And the assault on Christianity continues....


11 posted on 07/15/2006 5:15:13 AM PDT by asp1
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Whether viewed as a war memorial, an icon or a place of worship, the cross is an extremely visible symbol of one religion. It occupies arguably the most prominent piece of public real estate in the city, which is in a state where the Constitution is even more exacting than the U.S. Bill of Rights about the separation of church and state

So what the LA Slimes is saying here is that.... even if this WAS a war memorial or national park (which 75% of the voters of San Diego agreed in 2005 referendum should be done, ONLY TO HAVE THEIR VOTE NULLIFIED and TOSSED ADTER THE FACT BY ONE JUDGE.... the fact of a cross being on "prominent public land" (and ONE JUDGE HAS BLOCKED ALL SALE or TRANSFER to private or national park service use so as to keep his 1991 ruling intact) ... its prominence alone would be enough to require tearing it down?

What is to prevent a similar move to count and talley all churches on "city land" and to deceide that those displaying Christian symbols outnumber the rest and must be stripped to avoid the appearence of "favoritism"?
12 posted on 07/15/2006 5:21:48 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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I guess the original framers were in violation of their own document, since their Judeo-Chrisitan heritage was an important influence on their work.

Sure--the framers really meant that we should be tearing down crosses, enforcing infiltration of the gay agenda into public schools, bending over backwards to show respect for Islam, outlawing invocations at public school events in deference to atheists, etc. etc.

Funny though: these things can never be found in the actual text of the Constitution. Only by mystical interpretation of it as an ever-changing, "living" document.


13 posted on 07/15/2006 5:27:34 AM PDT by olderwiser
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The honored American dead in France should be brought to Arlington...ASAP.


14 posted on 07/15/2006 5:33:58 AM PDT by kjo
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To: Oshkalaboomboom; P-Marlowe; BibChr
Ironically, the cross is in a city named San Diego. Wonder why they don't protest that?

Saint Didacus of Alcalá, more familiar as San Diego, was a lay brother of the Order of Friars Minor who died at Alcalá, Spain, November 12, 1463. ......In 1449 he was recalled to Spain, whence he went to Rome to be present at the canonization of Bernardino of Siena in 1450. At Rome he fulfilled the humble office of infirmarian in the convent of Ara Coeli; and his biographers record the miraculous cure of many whom he attended, through his pious intercession. He was finally recalled to Spain and was sent by his superiors to Alcalá where he spent the remaining years of his life in penance, solitude, and the delights of contemplation.

Saint Didacus was canonized by Sixtus V in 1588. His feast is kept, especially among the Franciscans, on November 12.. He is the saint to whom the Franciscan mission that developed into San Diego, California was dedicated.

Is it inappropriate for a group of taxpayers to provide a memorial on public property even though that memorial reflects that group's religious sentiment?

No. One need only visit any national cemetery to see a host of religious emblems.

Is there any law preventing other groups from doing the same?

Not prior to the selfish motives and picayunish sensitivities of modern secularism....at that point, their position was given preeminence by our courts.

15 posted on 07/15/2006 5:57:40 AM PDT by xzins ( Let's Burn Down the WACOs of America!)
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The POS author of this POS story ays the cross is a symbol of one religion. He doesnt mention tht religion. What religion is it? There must be at least a thousand version of Christianity all calling themselves separate religions. If he means Christianity as one religion he is pretty ignorant, but then anyone who wants to tear down that cross is that --ignorant.

How long will it be before these creeps want to tear down the cross from the top of every church in the nation? Since thay can drive down any street in the nation and see these very visible symbols of the thing they hate so much.


16 posted on 07/15/2006 6:24:52 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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What if a US Marine was offended that our tax dollars just built what amounts to a Mosque in the Pentagon? What if I was offended?

Would the ACLU be demanding to tear it down? (crickets)

17 posted on 07/15/2006 6:37:36 AM PDT by Sender (“Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.”)
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It occupies arguably the most prominent piece of public real estate in the city

The City of San Diego is huge. With a population of 1.3 million spread over 73 square miles, it's hard to believe the cross on Mt. Soledad, at one of the far corners of the city, is at all "the most prominent" except to people traveling near La Jolla. San Diego has plenty of public-owned hills and beaches; Mount Soledad is not the only one.

Besides, the LDS/Mormon Temple is extremely obvious for anyone driving the I-5 just North of the area near Mount Soledad, and the grand views of that temple would seem to promote a particular religion far more than the more generic cross.

If only that judge hadn't invalidated the original sale of the land to the highest bidder (the Mount Soledad Monument Assn or something), things would be so much simpler.

18 posted on 07/15/2006 6:38:16 AM PDT by heleny
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

And of course this editorial vomit is produced by the LA Slimes, handmaiden and cheerleading for everything Satanic in the State of Californication.


19 posted on 07/15/2006 6:54:04 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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"Governor Schwarzenegger, tear down this cross!"


20 posted on 07/15/2006 7:03:52 AM PDT by popdonnelly
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