Posted on 05/19/2006 2:53:23 PM PDT by catholicfreeper
You are right, George Bush made clear in his words that he was no conservative. And so his current passion for pushing his "comprehensive" immigration reform is not a betrayal of his conservative pricipals because he has no conservative principals.
You are so right.
Nobody knows crap about Meirs. She may have turned out better than anyone would have guessed. Presidents almost always regret their SC appointments but so far Bush 41 and GWB have had the best records of appointing good people.
Actually the above post comments on that. I have to admit I can see confusion. For whatever reason this issue had not hit the hot burner during the electionlike it has now so the press was not aggressive.
Guest workers, maybe; citizenship waiting period, yes Bush pledged to revisit guest worker programs and other ways for immigrants to come into the country, but said he would insist on immigration controls and a waiting period before citizenship. Source: Mike Glover, Associated Press Aug 6, 1999
The program that would bestow temporary legal status for at least 6 years on 8 million undocumented immigrants, as long as they keep their jobs. But it would not automatically put them on a path to obtaining citizenship or even permanent resident status. "We must make our immigration laws more rational, and more humane," Bush told 200 Latino supporters attending his first White House announcement of the election year. "I believe we can do so without jeopardizing the livelihoods of American citizens." What Bush calls his "temporary worker" program was eagerly embraced by business groups but condemned as stingy and impractical by advocates for immigrants. Many said it has little chance of passing Congress in the form Bush described.
Source: Mike Allen, Washington Post, p. A1 Jan 8, 2004
Well the rest of quotes are above. Kerry During the Democrat primary and I think there is a link on the main page to his views stated that he
would
""Amnesty to anyone here over 5 or 6 years Q: Would you support legalizing undocumented immigrants in this country? KERRY: Absolutely. I supported and was prepared to vote for amnesty from 1986. And it is essential to have immigration reform. Anyone who has been in this country for five or six years, who's paid their taxes, who has stayed out of trouble, ought to be able to translate into an American citizenship immediately, not waiting.
Source: Democratic Primary Debate, Albuquerque New Mexico Sep 4, 2003 "
Now when Bush say that Kerry is support amnesty this what he is referring too that is "Anyone who has been in this country for five or six years, who's paid their taxes, who has stayed out of trouble, ought to be able to translate into an American citizenship immediately, not waiting.
Sticking to your word is one thing, but when the fellow you made the bargain with is sticking a large shiv in your ribs, it's time to face reality. Worse, this open borders, lying to the American public, failure to protect borders and US sovereignty is both illegal and unconstitutional. When the dems take over, don't be surprised when they include failure to protect US sovereignty as one of the high crimes. It's hardly a misdemeanour.
Put succinctly...bingo.
Heard Senator Sessions and wished we could clone him.
There ought to be a temporary worker card that allows a willing worker and a willing employer to mate up... the card it'll have a period of time attached to it.
Now President Bush wants to give a permanent Green Card and a pathway to citizenship to 12 million lawbreakers. When he was trying to get our vote he stressed temporary, now it is permanent.
Sounds like a change in tune to me.
Well I think his proposal does not violate conservative principles. However, I know many agree with you. But I have to think that the 90 percent of what he said on other issues is pretty conservative regardless of ones viewpoint on illegal immigration.
It's a dirty trick for a politician to actually do what he campaigns on. I't unprecedented.
Name three.
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I respect him and his honesty, I may not agree with him but I definitely respect a man who stands by his convictions.
He doesn't get a break on the Miers matter because she was blatantly not the type of nominee (and not to mention embarassingly unqualified) on which he had demonstrably campaigned and therefore she was opposed. As for the immigration issue, few here that I have observed are claiming that the President's amnesty program is any type of surprise. We were well aware of it in 2000 and 2004 but held our noses and voted for him anyway, with full intent of opposing the program whenever it came up for a vote, as we are now doing and as is our right, at least for now.
Thanks to Bush, and his stand on "Immigration", I am no longer registered Republican (Now Independent)
Thanks to some statements by the Bishops, I no longer attend Mass, and will never donate any money or valuables to anything with a Catholic label.
You perople are STUPID! You only have to look at Mexico to see what your position and your "Country" will look like when the Hispanics are in power.
You are a lot like the Liberals who pander to the IslamoFascists, not realizing that when the Islamics take over, the Libs are going to be the first to be treated to a public execution.
Who is George W. Bush?.. Hes very sneaky I don't like that..
Like a smart John Kerry.
We need an earned-legalization program for people who have been here for a long time, stayed out of trouble, got a job, paid their taxes, and their kids are American. We got to start moving them toward full citizenship, out of the shadows.
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Oops....sorry, my bad... That was KERRY
Name one.
Immigration automatically means illegal immigration.
I do not know of a single FReeper or conservative that makes this mistake. This "mistake" is made on purpose by disingenuous racists on the Left (such as the author of this article) who try to say any argument against ILLEGAL immigration is an argument against immigration in general
Guest worker program automatically means amnesty.
Bush's does. If the potential worker doesn't have to go to his/her home country to apply, it is amnesty.
Now, there are jobs out there that Americans won't do.
This is a LIE. I can;t believe anyone on this thread would be so ignorant of Market forces to repeat it. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are completely illiterate about economics and markets. There are jobs American's are unwilling to do at the wages offered, but the market will ensure the wages rise to the point where people will do the work. What do you think we did before the current criminal invasion?
Reasons being that they are too menial, too dangerous or sadly enough, it's easier to get welfare than be forced to go get a job. However, when an employer has a job site to finish, a contract to fulfill or a deadline to make, they will hire the person willing to work
And the potential employer should do so and participate in the open, legal market.
Learn some economics before you make a fool of yourself again.
Name three.
I can only think of two:
1. President of the United States.
2. Director of Homeland Security.
This standing on principle dirty tricks must end.
There is a difference between the two programs. There is a temporary work program that will be ongoing. FOr instance for those after the proposed bill is enacted. Another one allows people here now that meets the qualifications to remain temporary workers but if they desire and meet all the requirements start down this citzenship path.
That what he is alluding to here
" temporary-worker program will help protect our homeland, allowing border patrol and law enforcement to focus on true threats to our national security. I oppose amnesty, because it would encourage further illegal immigration and unfairly reward those who break our laws. My temporary-worker program will preserve the citizenship path for those who respect the law, while bringing millions of hardworking men and women out from the shadows of American life."
I think the problem is that the press never engaged and clarifyed what Bush was talking about at times in these debates. It seems from looking over his viewpoints he seems to have always envisioned a a program that had seperate categories for those here and those who will want to come here in the future just to work. Thats how I read it.
Good grief. So your leaving the Catholic Church and the Sacraments because of what a few Bishops said. Trust me the grass will not be greener on the other side. Everyone has political disagreement with their Church. PLease dont leave
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