Posted on 05/19/2006 9:18:31 AM PDT by Bob J
Ths was never going to work. The House and Senate simply have too many RINO's to effect the kind of change that reformists dreamed of. Anyone who thought it would was blind. Thanks for the effort, but the strategery wasn't thought all the way through.
By bringing the immigration question to the top of the table, they have handed the dems a bat with which to beat us over the head for the next 20 years. Conservative and pub reformists looking for real progress and change will be characterized in the media as meanspirited racists and bigots while the dems nickel and dime the legislation and take the teeth out of any new law. They will be portrayed as the real champions.
Needs repeating!
50 million voted for bush in 2000 and 60 million in 2004.
We are only a few of those votes.
Personally, I think we owe Bush for perserving through the constant drumbeat of the liberals "I hate Bush" campaign.
None of those fifty million would have mattered but for FReeper activism. That was the difference in Florida.
Personally, I think we owe Bush for perserving through the constant drumbeat of the liberals "I hate Bush" campaign.
Name me one Republican President who did not get such treatment. They sign up for it when they choose to run for office.
from bob j to ohioan "Are you saying America should be reserved for white Europeans?"
I think you will find the answer is yes, but that does not make him a racists. He is more like a luddite who wants things back the way they were "in the good old days".
Men were men and women were women, your kids actually did what you told them too, USA ruled the earth, medical bills were low, you died early, gas at 35 cents, etc.
The bad news is that to get to the good old days, we need japan and china to fight each other and germany to attack russia and bomb the rest of europe while the USA gets a free ride to prosperity.
Ohioan thinks the path back is to get rid of the minorities. He fails to see there is no path back and that the good old days were an artifact of WWII where the entire world destroyed itself except for North and South America and australia. (FYI, the golden days for South america was also after WWII)
You sound just like the late lamented Joehadenuf.
Don't get me wrong, I loved Joe.
You are an incorrigible optimist!
That's not what I'm saying Ron. To believe the issue of border security could be placed on the table without dealing with the 12 million already here (and it's inevitable outcome...amnesty) was folly.
To complain about it and say the only solution now is to take it all off the table is ridiculous. Border security advocates should have seen this coming and prepared for it instead of talking about trashing all the work and starting from scratch.
The genie is out of the bottle and the "that isn't what we meant by immigration reform" is just plain idiocy.
I think I understand...(?)
Joe and I had our policy differences but he did grace me with his presence at a FReeper pool party at my house once!
Off to see "The DaVinci Code"...be back in a few hours!
Yep. It looks as if the borders that they are more intent on defending - probably for national security reasons - are the outer borders of all of North America.
Another consideration regarding national security concerns is that we get most of our oil from Canada and Mexico.
Bush has had a real mess dumped in his lap since he became president, and there are no "good" or "easy" options / solutions for him.
I do know that his #1 priority every day is his "duty" to protect the American people. That would NOT be the case with a RAT president.
BTTT
And don't ever waste our votes again on any Senator or Representative who votes yes on any amnesty sham as their constituents are begging them to vote NO.
...by diluting their demographic power, regulating them to death, and letting his conservative judicial appointments twist in the wind.
Must say you're a class act, or am I repeating myself.
I'm thinking Ralph Kramden, fish belly white with his trunk pulled up under his armpits.
How close am I?
Hmmmm. Believe Charles Krauthammer's Townhall article disputes laying the blame at our feet link
...."Are conservatives the only ones who think that unlimited, unregulated immigration is a detriment to the Republic? Do liberals really believe in a de facto policy that depresses the wages of the poorest and most desperate Americans, African-Americans most prominently among them? Do liberals believe that the number, social class, educational level, background and country of origin of immigrants -- the kinds of decisions every democratic country makes for itself -- should be taken out of the hands of the American citizenry and left to the immigrants themselves, and in particular, to those most willing to break the very immigration regulations the American people have decided upon democratically?"
The polls speak volumes Bob and last I heard the majority of the country pushed this to the forefront as more and more small towns (mine in particular) understood what those in the border States were dealing with.
Very wrong...heheh.
A white picket fence with red climbing roses growing along it, would be nice. They would take a lot of water in that area, though and lots of work, probably enough work to keep 10,000 illegal aliens busy.
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