Posted on 05/19/2006 9:18:31 AM PDT by Bob J
Ths was never going to work. The House and Senate simply have too many RINO's to effect the kind of change that reformists dreamed of. Anyone who thought it would was blind. Thanks for the effort, but the strategery wasn't thought all the way through.
By bringing the immigration question to the top of the table, they have handed the dems a bat with which to beat us over the head for the next 20 years. Conservative and pub reformists looking for real progress and change will be characterized in the media as meanspirited racists and bigots while the dems nickel and dime the legislation and take the teeth out of any new law. They will be portrayed as the real champions.
"Force them to watch their grandkids scratch out a life in the mess they've made of our country."
That'll show 'em.
One of the real gems of the whole deal. The owner was another illegal who had loaned the car to him and didn't have insurance. Oddly enough that person also decided to leave town.
How they were able to register the car I can't remember ever knowing. It was quite a while before I was able to get the bulk of my questions answered from the county police and by that time while the entire thing was still fresh for me it was in the past for them.
I was fortunate in that a large number of folks who worked for a regional State Farm office down the road from where the accident occurred all stopped, called 911 and gave the police statements.
One of them was kind enough to escort the other driver away from my car while he was trying to tell his captive audience (me) how the whole thing was somehow my fault for failing to yield to him while he was running through the red light.
Apparently he was under the impression that since he was honking his horn as he ran the light what he'd done was legal.
For a long time I had been under the impression that I had walked away from the accident. The brain can do some funny things.
Every once in a while when the details get fuzzy again I go back through my folder of info.
I don't doubt for a minute that those things were said and that we could have dealt with it long ago.
Why this has been allowed to go on for so long is truly troubling to me.
You've lost it.
Because for a long time the rest of America considered it a border state problem. CA wanted to deal with but not only were we told to pay the bills ourselves Congress was passing laws and the courts were ruling we couldn't exclude illegals from the school system nor deny them health care.
So, the Feds are responsible for securing the borders, which they didn't do, illegals were costing the state hundreds of millions of dollars which we were told we had to fund, and when we tried to curtail it the courts told us it was unconstitutional while Congress was passing laws making it near impossible to fix.
All the while the rest of the country was laughing their asses off.
And Nero fiddled while Rome burned.
What, do you follow me around to post your crap? Stay off my threads.
Thankfully, you dont have the ability to choose who visits "your" threads. If this was applied universally, where one could effectively block users from reading threads one had initiated, pretty soon we'd have threads that had 50% less responses. Not to mention being able to KICK one off the thread if you disagreed with their position.
Who said anything about kicking him off, I asked him to voluntarily stay away.
BTW - Thanks for your unsolicited and completely ignorant input. FR needs more thread police.
Don't flatter yourself. I don't know what's got your insecurity in a panic, but I was merely expressing an opinion. Sorry if you feel persecuted.
Heh. Only one per week, I reckon.
I think that this is what is really going on, and it's been going on long before Bush came into office. I think the 9-11 attack may just have speeded things up.
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"I was merely expressing an opinion."
Next time try expressing an opinion on the content of the post.
Perhaps. Perhaps not. It depends on how much spine develops in the House members; if they have any, they'd immediately reintroduce their "enforcement only" measure. However, as I said in my post, I'll take nothing at all in preference to anything that looks like what the Senate wants (no effective enforcement, legalization, virtually unrestricted guest worker program).
I try to be succinct but I will expand:
Blaming "immigration reform" advocates for the latest round of legislation tells me you've lost it.
Looks like a blueprint for what Bush and Congress is doing.
If the battle is over amnesty, not expulsion, in 2006, then where will the line be drawn in another 20 years? If it was premature in 2006 to address illegal immigration from an enforcement perspective, what would have been the proper time?
You've merely reinforced what I've said on other posts: the jig is up and we've lost. Now is the time to look around and study how to benefit from the coming transition to a 3rd world country.
You don't have to look very far - there's some suburbs ringing LA that look nothing like they did 20 yrs ago when they were regular bedroom communities. No, they haven't turned into ghettos (that's in LA itself); they've turned into exclusive protected communities.
Study the model and repeat - it's coming to a town near you.
In another twenty years there would be about 35 to 50 million illegals in country. Would it be easier to fix then, or would we be handing over a bigger trump card to the leftists who wish to exploit this to their own advantage?
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