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Immigration Reform...What Say You Now FReepers?
FR | 5-19-06 | Bob J

Posted on 05/19/2006 9:18:31 AM PDT by Bob J

Be Careful What You Wish For

So, we get 350 miles of fence...the Dems and Immigration proponents everything else. I knew this was going to turn out bad. By elevating the issue of illegal immigration to a crisis level, immigration reform advocates have handed the dems and the immigration lobby the vehicle by which they will really open the floodgates and naturalize 120 million new potential dem voters over the next 20 years.

Ths was never going to work. The House and Senate simply have too many RINO's to effect the kind of change that reformists dreamed of. Anyone who thought it would was blind. Thanks for the effort, but the strategery wasn't thought all the way through.

By bringing the immigration question to the top of the table, they have handed the dems a bat with which to beat us over the head for the next 20 years. Conservative and pub reformists looking for real progress and change will be characterized in the media as meanspirited racists and bigots while the dems nickel and dime the legislation and take the teeth out of any new law. They will be portrayed as the real champions.

Hope you like the fence...it's all we'll get.


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To: skeeter

"Force them to watch their grandkids scratch out a life in the mess they've made of our country."

That'll show 'em.


141 posted on 05/19/2006 12:17:11 PM PDT by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Bob J

One of the real gems of the whole deal. The owner was another illegal who had loaned the car to him and didn't have insurance. Oddly enough that person also decided to leave town.

How they were able to register the car I can't remember ever knowing. It was quite a while before I was able to get the bulk of my questions answered from the county police and by that time while the entire thing was still fresh for me it was in the past for them.

I was fortunate in that a large number of folks who worked for a regional State Farm office down the road from where the accident occurred all stopped, called 911 and gave the police statements.

One of them was kind enough to escort the other driver away from my car while he was trying to tell his captive audience (me) how the whole thing was somehow my fault for failing to yield to him while he was running through the red light.

Apparently he was under the impression that since he was honking his horn as he ran the light what he'd done was legal.

For a long time I had been under the impression that I had walked away from the accident. The brain can do some funny things.

Every once in a while when the details get fuzzy again I go back through my folder of info.




142 posted on 05/19/2006 12:17:16 PM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Bob J

I don't doubt for a minute that those things were said and that we could have dealt with it long ago.

Why this has been allowed to go on for so long is truly troubling to me.


143 posted on 05/19/2006 12:21:51 PM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Bob J

You've lost it.


144 posted on 05/19/2006 12:23:01 PM PDT by Glenn (Annoy a BushBot...Think for yourself.)
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To: Bikers4Bush

Because for a long time the rest of America considered it a border state problem. CA wanted to deal with but not only were we told to pay the bills ourselves Congress was passing laws and the courts were ruling we couldn't exclude illegals from the school system nor deny them health care.

So, the Feds are responsible for securing the borders, which they didn't do, illegals were costing the state hundreds of millions of dollars which we were told we had to fund, and when we tried to curtail it the courts told us it was unconstitutional while Congress was passing laws making it near impossible to fix.

All the while the rest of the country was laughing their asses off.

And Nero fiddled while Rome burned.


145 posted on 05/19/2006 12:29:26 PM PDT by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Glenn

What, do you follow me around to post your crap? Stay off my threads.


146 posted on 05/19/2006 12:35:56 PM PDT by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Bikers4Bush
It's starting...
147 posted on 05/19/2006 12:36:33 PM PDT by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Bob J

Thankfully, you dont have the ability to choose who visits "your" threads. If this was applied universally, where one could effectively block users from reading threads one had initiated, pretty soon we'd have threads that had 50% less responses. Not to mention being able to KICK one off the thread if you disagreed with their position.


148 posted on 05/19/2006 12:38:57 PM PDT by Windsong (Jesus Saves, but Buddha makes incremental backups)
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To: Bikers4Bush
Unfortunately, it can be fixed but it won't. This is a political problem but the pols in position to address it are broken down thusly;

1. Serious reformers who will be branded bigots by the media.

2. Less than serious pubs who want it to go away so they'll vote for any piece of crap that looks like it can make that happen.

3. Politicians, mostly dems, who will demagogue it for political advantage.
149 posted on 05/19/2006 12:39:52 PM PDT by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Windsong

Who said anything about kicking him off, I asked him to voluntarily stay away.

BTW - Thanks for your unsolicited and completely ignorant input. FR needs more thread police.


150 posted on 05/19/2006 12:43:55 PM PDT by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Bob J
What, do you follow me around to post your crap? Stay off my threads.

Don't flatter yourself. I don't know what's got your insecurity in a panic, but I was merely expressing an opinion. Sorry if you feel persecuted.

151 posted on 05/19/2006 12:44:10 PM PDT by Glenn (Annoy a BushBot...Think for yourself.)
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To: Sir Gawain
Shouldn't this be in Breaking News?

Heh. Only one per week, I reckon.

152 posted on 05/19/2006 12:44:58 PM PDT by Constitution Day (All Freepers are equal, but some are more equal than others)
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To: Bob J

I think that this is what is really going on, and it's been going on long before Bush came into office. I think the 9-11 attack may just have speeded things up.

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153 posted on 05/19/2006 12:47:35 PM PDT by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: Glenn

"I was merely expressing an opinion."

Next time try expressing an opinion on the content of the post.


154 posted on 05/19/2006 12:50:46 PM PDT by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Bob J
So if you torpedo the legislation in the House, where does that leave us? Back at the beginning?

Perhaps. Perhaps not. It depends on how much spine develops in the House members; if they have any, they'd immediately reintroduce their "enforcement only" measure. However, as I said in my post, I'll take nothing at all in preference to anything that looks like what the Senate wants (no effective enforcement, legalization, virtually unrestricted guest worker program).

155 posted on 05/19/2006 12:53:05 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: Bob J
Next time try expressing an opinion on the content of the post.

I try to be succinct but I will expand:

Blaming "immigration reform" advocates for the latest round of legislation tells me you've lost it.

156 posted on 05/19/2006 12:53:36 PM PDT by Glenn (Annoy a BushBot...Think for yourself.)
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To: Matchett-PI

Looks like a blueprint for what Bush and Congress is doing.


157 posted on 05/19/2006 1:01:45 PM PDT by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Glenn
"Blaming "immigration reform" advocates for the latest round of legislation tells me you've lost it."

What I blame them for is insisting on tighter border security and thinking that would not also open the issue of what to do with current 12 million illegals...leading to calls for some kind of amnesty.

This was all predictable. For border/immigration control advocates to now complain that amnesty (and it is amnesty) is being considered...along with their 350 mile fence, is either disingenuous or incompetent.

"That's not what I meant" doesn't cut it with me.
158 posted on 05/19/2006 1:07:53 PM PDT by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Glenn; Bob J
Blaming "immigration reform" advocates for the latest round of legislation tells me you've lost it.

If the battle is over amnesty, not expulsion, in 2006, then where will the line be drawn in another 20 years? If it was premature in 2006 to address illegal immigration from an enforcement perspective, what would have been the proper time?

You've merely reinforced what I've said on other posts: the jig is up and we've lost. Now is the time to look around and study how to benefit from the coming transition to a 3rd world country.

You don't have to look very far - there's some suburbs ringing LA that look nothing like they did 20 yrs ago when they were regular bedroom communities. No, they haven't turned into ghettos (that's in LA itself); they've turned into exclusive protected communities.

Study the model and repeat - it's coming to a town near you.

159 posted on 05/19/2006 1:11:02 PM PDT by lemura
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To: Bob J

In another twenty years there would be about 35 to 50 million illegals in country. Would it be easier to fix then, or would we be handing over a bigger trump card to the leftists who wish to exploit this to their own advantage?


160 posted on 05/19/2006 1:15:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The United 'Door Mats' of America! Go ahead, scrape your feet on it. Everyone else is.)
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