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Photo IDs could improve image of election process
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 5/10/06 | ED FEULNER

Posted on 05/10/2006 12:41:11 PM PDT by mathprof

"Vote early -- and often." We hear this quip every time an election rolls around, and with good reason: Electoral fraud is as old as the ballot box itself and still happens in the United States. Just last year a judge in Washington state ruled that some 1,678 illegal votes were cast in its 2004 election -- more than enough to change the outcome of the governor's race.

Few concepts matter more in a republican democracy than the credibility of "one person, one vote." Yet no nationwide standard exists to prevent fraud at the voting booth.

Some states, including Virginia, sensibly demand photo identification before allowing someone to vote. Neighboring Maryland, meanwhile, is heading in the opposite direction. A new state law there will let anyone cast a provisional ballot anywhere in the state -- a move that could allow one person to vote in several different places on the same day.

At the end of Election Day, "Nothing is more important than the integrity of elections -- not even defeating the Republicans in November." And don't take my word for it; those are the words of Blair Lee IV, the Democratic commentator who ran his father's successful 1980 gubernatorial campaign in Maryland.

To prevent fraud in elections, the federal government should set some minimum standards. After all, the Constitution gives states the initial power to establish the "times, places and manner" of holding elections, but it specifically permits Congress to change those election procedures.

A good first step would be to require every voter to show a photo ID.

Some liberals oppose this rudimentary reform. They claim that, since the poor are less likely to have photo IDs or driver's licenses, it would impinge on their civil right to vote.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ballotstuffing; election; electionfraud; electionlaws; fec; feclaws; howtostealanelection; votefraud; voterfraud
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1 posted on 05/10/2006 12:41:14 PM PDT by mathprof
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I'd love to see fingers getting dipped in ink as well.


2 posted on 05/10/2006 12:44:38 PM PDT by SampleMan
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I don't know if that is the law here in Texas, but we do have to show a photo ID when we go to vote...I think that is a good thing..and think everyone in every state should have to do that..I was kidding around with the lady and ask her if my mother had voted yet.she looked and said she isn't on here does she live in another county..I told her then I was kidding..She did not get angry she said that should be the question people ask about their dead relatives so they can make sure no one is using the name..


3 posted on 05/10/2006 12:47:36 PM PDT by Beth528
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To: mathprof
A good first step would be to require every voter to show a photo ID.

But.....but.....then Mexico, dead people, and rabid multi voting liberals wouldn't be able to decide our elections for us. Oh no! What now? What now?

I would have been against a voter government ID in the past, but the moral and ethical past is gone. The inmates have taken over the asylum, and it's time to get serious about legal and singular voting. I see no alternative. It's the only way to guarantee a fair election.
There will be ID card fraud, so the government would have to account for that and make the cards as unreproducible as possible - like currency.

4 posted on 05/10/2006 12:54:49 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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Discriminates . . .


. . . against the democrat party.
5 posted on 05/10/2006 12:56:30 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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Just look at who stands against actually positively identifying voters: race hustlers, democrats, unions, poverty pimps, ACLU... you know it is the right thing to do.

Yes, the vote tally will go down... but only because illegitimate voters will no longer "vote". Turnouts in heavily minority districts will sink back to the 20-25% that actually go to the polling place, if Dem ward leaders can no longer cast votes "on behalf" of those who chose not to show up.


6 posted on 05/10/2006 1:00:11 PM PDT by AbeKrieger (I miss President Reagan.)
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We desperately need reform in this area. Illegal advocates are launching a voter registration drive to gain 1,000,000 new hispanic voters (citizenship be damned)by November. As usual the problem is existing law that is not being enforced; i.e., no proof of citizenship required either to register or to vote.And as usual, the remedy is clear (ID cards) as is the impediment (lack of will to do anything substantive).
7 posted on 05/10/2006 1:03:28 PM PDT by luvbach1 (More true now than ever: Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: Beth528
I don't know if that is the law here in Texas, but we do have to show a photo ID when we go to vote...

I spent the past 7 years in Los Angeles. I never showed any ID, and always felt like I could have just pointed to any name on the poll worker's clipboard and said "that's me". Of course I was about the only Republican in the neighborhood and always had just one booth instead of the seven Dem booths set up.

8 posted on 05/10/2006 1:06:46 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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*****Few concepts matter more in a republican democracy*****

...arent we a democratic republic?


9 posted on 05/10/2006 1:09:01 PM PDT by Zeppelin (Texas Longhorns === National Champions !!!)
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Couldn't somebody file an equal protection clause lawsuit? They could claim that by not reuiring photo ID they are being robbed of their right to a republican form of goverment. Because of the vote fraud that is inherent when there is no photo ID.

I'm just coming off my Con. Law final exam; not that, that means I have any idea what I'm talking about!

By the way I'm offically done with my first year of law school; probably the most intense year I've had.

10 posted on 05/10/2006 1:10:00 PM PDT by ozoneliar ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
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To: SampleMan

Oregon has vote by mail and is issueing drivers licenses to illegals...the horse is out of the barn. I'm really glad this isn't a battleground state in federal elections.


11 posted on 05/10/2006 1:11:09 PM PDT by gundog
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I went to vote Tuesday and gave them my name and address. When I laid my driver's license before the lady, she chuckled and said, "We don't require those, Mr. Davis." I told her they ought to, but six or seven of the poll workers know me by my first name - not by what some call me - so I guess they felt like I was legit.


12 posted on 05/10/2006 1:14:13 PM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: concerned about politics

There should be some sort of centralized database, with every voter registered in it. Would prevent people from having active registrations in a location they no longer live in (easily used by fraudulent voters), in addition to an active registration in their new location. Would be much esier to remove dead people and felons. Credit card companies manage this on a global level -- instant verification that the card number in question is attached to an active account, as well as very quick detection of improbable or impossible card use patterns (like making on-site purchases in Florida and New York a couple of hours apart).


13 posted on 05/10/2006 1:17:38 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: SampleMan

agreed - what's wrong with dipping fingers? keeps people with multiple identities from voting multiple times.


14 posted on 05/10/2006 1:18:35 PM PDT by camle (Keep your mind open and somebody will fill if full of something for you.)
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To: BenLurkin

all them democrat "needy" type have ID's to cash them government checks don't they?


15 posted on 05/10/2006 1:19:23 PM PDT by camle (Keep your mind open and somebody will fill if full of something for you.)
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I can tell you if I lived where you do I would think very seriously about moving..Isn't it dangerous around there with so many democrats..LOL!
16 posted on 05/10/2006 1:55:03 PM PDT by Beth528
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If you are a registered voter in the precint and forget to bring your registration card, a photo ID, such as a drivers license, photo id issued by the DPS, or a photo ID issued by an employer are acceptable forms of ID. There are some other forms acceptable, as well.


17 posted on 05/10/2006 2:00:33 PM PDT by ol' hoghead
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To: mathprof

Why we do not require some form of ID when voting has always been a mystery to me. Also when registering we should require proof of citizenship.


18 posted on 05/10/2006 2:16:18 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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I can tell you if I lived where you do I would think very seriously about moving..

I did move, last September... out of the state entirely!

19 posted on 05/10/2006 2:23:20 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: mathprof

National IDs! (Not)


20 posted on 05/10/2006 2:27:18 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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