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Sen. Alexander: Vouchers to Learn English
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Posted on 04/03/2006 5:02:42 PM PDT by Aetius

Monday, April 3, 2006 5:06 p.m. EDT Sen. Alexander: Vouchers to Learn English

Legal immigrants fluent in English could become U.S. citizens in four years rather than five under a proposal that could become part of a broad immigration bill.

The proposal by Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., was at the top of the agenda as the Senate began a second week of debate Monday on tightening U.S. borders against illegal immigrants, increasing penalties on employers who hire them and on whether to let more than 11 million undocumented aliens stay or make them leave at some point.

An estimated 7.2 million legal permanent residents have lived in the United States long enough to become Americans, according to the Homeland Security Department's Citizenship and Immigration Services office. The wait to become an American is five years, three years if the legal permanent resident marries a U.S. citizen.

Reasons that officials give for permanent residents not seeking citizenship include not speaking English well enough, an inability to pay the fee and not wanting to forfeit citizenship in their native country.

Alexander says a shorter naturalization wait might motivate more green card holders to seek U.S. citizenship.

"After we secure our borders, after we create a legal status for foreigners who work here and study here, the third indispensable step is to help prospective citizens become Americans," Alexander said.

His legislation would provide up to $500 in vouchers to immigrants to pay for English courses and grants to groups that provide classes in U.S. history and civics.

Advocates say long lines of immigrants are trying to sign up for English as a Second Language classes, but there is little money available for groups that want to provide the classes.

Tougher immigration issues await Senate action, namely proposals to let illegal immigrants work toward citizenship and to create guest worker programs backed by Bush.

"Part of securing our borders is moving forward on a guest worker program, because that will relieve pressure off the border," said Scott McClellan, Bush's press secretary. "It will allow our Border Patrol agents to focus on the criminals and the terrorists, the smugglers and traffickers that are trying to come into this country for the wrong reasons."

Also Monday, a Senate panel wrestled with how to reduce a backlog of immigration cases in federal appeals courts. Most of the appeals involve people seeking asylum or those who are refugees. The appeals have risen from 1,723 cases in 2000 to 12,349 in 2005.

Sen. Lamar Alexander's amendment is S1815.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; english; immigration; lamaralexander
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I don't mean to sound mean-spirited/xenophobic/nativist/racist or anything, but shouldn't immigrants themselves bear the cost of learning English? This amendment clearly puts another burden on American citizens.

It all comes down to one's philosophy of what immigration policy should be. I think it should be like all other public policies; i.e. set with the goal of benefitting existing Americans (I know that's naive and idealistic, but it should be the goal).

1 posted on 04/03/2006 5:02:45 PM PDT by Aetius
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I'll gladly help pay for the english classes in exchange for a sealed border and a aggressive deportation policy.


2 posted on 04/03/2006 5:04:33 PM PDT by pissant
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Sen. Alexander: Vouchers to Learn English

I'll pay for the vouchers, but only if they use 'em in Mexico.

3 posted on 04/03/2006 5:05:37 PM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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I'll gladly help pay for the english classes in exchange for a sealed border and a aggressive deportation policy.

You'll get the right to pay for the first one, the second and third you will not get.

4 posted on 04/03/2006 5:07:05 PM PDT by Bahbah
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In Arizona this funding for teaching English in the schools is supposed to cost $4600. Nuts.


5 posted on 04/03/2006 5:08:59 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy (I'm writing a post to a message board. I don't care if it's not grammatically perfect.)
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To: Bahbah

We will if we keep the fire on the feet of this politicians.


6 posted on 04/03/2006 5:09:14 PM PDT by pissant
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"but shouldn't immigrants themselves bear the cost of learning English?"

Of course. Lamar is probably being bribed lobbied with campaign contributions by entities geared up to offer these "classes." Fake completion certificates will be a cost borne by the consumer, though.

More business welfare.

7 posted on 04/03/2006 5:09:41 PM PDT by Shermy (President Bush, specify what jobs Americans won't do, then we'll talk.)
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--this is an especially idiotic idea. Who will do the teaching? who will certify that the students will have learned enough?

Chances are the "teaching" will end up farmed out to some advocacy group which will of course report one hundred percent success while absorbing a good chunk of taxpayer change--

8 posted on 04/03/2006 5:10:20 PM PDT by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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Nothing, nada, zero, zilch unless and until the borders are sealed and then, maybe, we'll talk. I've let Alexander's office know that he'll never get another vote from this Tennessean.


9 posted on 04/03/2006 5:10:35 PM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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Seems like something church groups could do.

Get Cardinal Mahoney behind it


10 posted on 04/03/2006 5:11:05 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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" I'll gladly help pay for the english classes in exchange for a sealed border and a aggressive deportation policy "

AMEN

Might I also add they start class with the Pledge too.

11 posted on 04/03/2006 5:11:41 PM PDT by Kakaze (I'm now a single issue voter.....exterminate Al Quaida)
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What about??? every new immigrant to the US must complete 2 years of military service, as we need workers in domestics, supply, peeling potatoes...etc? BEFORE he is granted a temporary worker's pass as a prerequisite to gaining citizenship.


12 posted on 04/03/2006 5:12:07 PM PDT by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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I agree. This would just turn into another way to scam American taxpayers.


13 posted on 04/03/2006 5:12:36 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Kakaze

Absolutely.


15 posted on 04/03/2006 5:13:37 PM PDT by pissant
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500 bucks to learn another language? What are we buying here, a CD from the Video Professor?


16 posted on 04/03/2006 5:13:55 PM PDT by buoybob
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That hypocrite won't do it. It's US, you see, who he expects to pay for HIS cause celebres. Mahoney is an "It Takes a Village" idiot.


17 posted on 04/03/2006 5:19:20 PM PDT by gueroloco
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Chances are the "teaching" will end up farmed out to some advocacy group which will of course report one hundred percent success while absorbing a good chunk of taxpayer change--

I see not many people here are being fooled. I wonder how it's working with the rest of the population. By the way, was it Lamar who brought us TennCare?

18 posted on 04/03/2006 5:24:55 PM PDT by Bahbah
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"Reasons that officials give for permanent residents not seeking citizenship include not speaking English well enough, an inability to pay the fee and not wanting to forfeit citizenship in their native country."


I like that last reason.


19 posted on 04/03/2006 5:29:47 PM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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Gold medal response. Come to think of it, you get the bronze and silver as well. SLAM DUNK.............


20 posted on 04/03/2006 5:29:57 PM PDT by gueroloco
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