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WORLDS COLLIDING - Afghanistan's Human Rights Disaster
Der Spiegel ^ | March 27, 2006 | Juergen Dahlkamp and Susanne Koelbl

Posted on 03/27/2006 4:45:39 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge

The case of Afghan Christian convert Abdul Rahman has attracted worldwide attention. Responding to international pressure, the government in Kabul has promised Rahman's release. But the case demonstrates that human rights continue to be in short supply in the Hindukush region, despite the fall of Afghanistan's fundamentalist Taliban regime five years ago.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai, an elegant Pashtun and a member of the aristocratic Popalzai clan, isn't likely to forget the events of last week anytime soon. Ever since he took office just under four years ago, Karzai has been seen as an unmistakable darling of the West -- he's an Afghan with a master's degree in international relations, he speaks English and French and, thanks to Gucci, he even enjoys the reputation of being the "most elegant man on the planet."

Since last Tuesday, however, the phones have been ringing off the hook in Kabul's Arg Palace, as government officials from the West called to express their disgust and outrage over the Rahman case. United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice announced her "displeasure," while Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper said that he was "astonished." Karzai also received a call from German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who demanded that Afghanistan uphold its "international obligations."

Finally, US President George W. Bush called to let his Afghan counterpart know that his administration was seriously concerned about the "deeply troubling" events in Afghanistan. The US president had just honored Karzai with a surprise visit three weeks earlier, during which he publicly praised Afghanistan for being on the right track. .....snip

Afghan prosecutors threatened Christian convert Abdul Rahman, seen here holding the bible, with the death sentence for abandoning Islam.

(Excerpt) Read more at service.spiegel.de ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Germany; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afgahnistan; christianity; humanrights; islam; karzai; rahman
There is a fundamental fault in all attempts of the west to establish democracy in countries of the middle east:

Islam and freedom are not compatible.

The only possible political system for them is secular. Not Germany after WWII, but Turkey and its laizism could be a model for Iraq or Afghanistan.

My personal prediction is, that the current systems only will produce new unrest and barbarism, since they are founded on a barbaric religion. Mr. Rahman is just the the tip of a iceberg. We will hear many troubling news from there in the near future.

1 posted on 03/27/2006 4:45:43 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge
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To: Atlantic Bridge
There is some CAIR idiot on FOX and Friends lying his ass off right now on this subject. He basically said that the Afgans have not read the Koran correctly. Yea, sure, he really believes that.

Oh, well, this Afghan subject will likely get moved off the medias radar screen anyway as we have more Mexican uprisings around the country.

2 posted on 03/27/2006 5:00:17 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Jack Bauer: "By the time I'm finished with you you're going to wish you felt this good again".)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

I have a difficult time with a Nation that was responsible for the Holocaust bitching about a Human Rights Disaster.


3 posted on 03/27/2006 5:05:35 AM PST by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: verity
I have a difficult time with a Nation that was responsible for the Holocaust bitching about a Human Rights Disaster.

I do not. Hitler is since 60 years dust.

4 posted on 03/27/2006 5:24:34 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

The irony is there even if you deny it.


5 posted on 03/27/2006 5:26:41 AM PST by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: verity

Would you rather live in Germany (3% Muslim), or Afghanistan (99% Muslim)?


6 posted on 03/27/2006 5:29:37 AM PST by Sometimes A River (America can do nothing for the Muslim world)
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To: Acts 2:38
Neither.

Having said that, your question has no relevance to my initial observation.

7 posted on 03/27/2006 5:44:31 AM PST by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
The only possible political system for them is secular. Not Germany after WWII, but Turkey and its laizism could be a model for Iraq or Afghanistan.

I talked with a Turkish Jew when I was in Bangkok. He told me he was not worried right now about Turkey regarding the extremists, but that he was quite unsure about the future. He seemed to feel it was a matter of time before they succeed in Turkey.

I'm wondering if this virulent "religion" can be contained by any system. It seems to always seek its own domination over all other philosophies, as it is church and state combined into one.

(by the way, what is "laizism", do you mean laissez-faire?)
8 posted on 03/27/2006 5:58:38 AM PST by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: verity
The irony is there even if you deny it.

It is no irony. It is simply boring since nazism has no practical importance in Germany anymore. Discussions about nazism and the rememberance of the holocaust are nessecary but it should be restricted to the historical debate or (if it is going to happen) contemporary antisemitic occurrences. The inclusion of this issue into every discussion about Germany lacks intelligence. Dumb propaganda for dumb people.

I am a German out of a partly jewish family (I am no Jew, but large parts of my family are - Hitler would have killed me). Therefore I know what I am saying.

9 posted on 03/27/2006 6:20:52 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: starbase
Personally I am absolutely no friend of the autocratic Turkish "democracy" that is dominated by the millitary. It doesn't provide that much freedom for its people. Nevertheless it is better than anything else in the Middle East (exept of Israel - but apart from being in the same region it doesn't have much in common with its neighbours). I believe that the people of this area need some time to maturate. If they find out that democracy works, that a secular system will create new freedoms and stabillity then they are going to identify themselves with it.

The worries of your Turkish friend in Bankok are legitimate. Islamistic extremism combined with a new nationalism (i.e. in the recent film "valley of the wolves") is a dangerous mixture in Turkey. In the past the millitary stopped such developments. We will see what the future will bring to us.

(by the way, what is "laizism", do you mean lassez-faire?)

Non mon ami. :-)

I used the German expression for it. I meant "laïcité" or "laicism". The term "laïcité", in its current sense, implies free exercise of religion, but no special status for religion: religious activities should submit to the same set of laws as other activities and are not considered above the law. The government refrains from taking positions on religious doctrine and only considers religious subjects from their practical consequences on the inhabitants' lives.

10 posted on 03/27/2006 6:42:58 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: verity

I have a problem with them doing anything but coming out for Human Rights. It proves that they are honest about the past and are not the same country.


11 posted on 03/27/2006 6:46:45 AM PST by mhuye (http://theonewhoislost.blogspot.com/)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

No wonder you protest.


12 posted on 03/27/2006 9:28:16 AM PST by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: starbase

The intolerance of Islam will eventually be its downfall. The win or die strategy always ends up as admit defeat or die.


13 posted on 03/27/2006 9:32:03 AM PST by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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