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Bush Using Straw-Man Arguments in Speeches (beyond barf alert)
AP ^ | 03/18/06 | JENNIFER LOVEN

Posted on 03/18/2006 2:33:33 PM PST by Pikamax

Bush Using Straw-Man Arguments in Speeches By JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer Sat Mar 18, 12:52 PM ET

"Some look at the challenges in Iraq and conclude that the war is lost and not worth another dime or another day," President Bush said recently.

Another time he said, "Some say that if you're Muslim you can't be free."

"There are some really decent people," the president said earlier this year, "who believe that the federal government ought to be the decider of health care ... for all people."

Of course, hardly anyone in mainstream political debate has made such assertions.

When the president starts a sentence with "some say" or offers up what "some in Washington" believe, as he is doing more often these days, a rhetorical retort almost assuredly follows.

The device usually is code for Democrats or other White House opponents. In describing what they advocate, Bush often omits an important nuance or substitutes an extreme stance that bears little resemblance to their actual position.

He typically then says he "strongly disagrees" — conveniently knocking down a straw man of his own making.

Bush routinely is criticized for dressing up events with a too-rosy glow. But experts in political speech say the straw man device, in which the president makes himself appear entirely reasonable by contrast to supposed "critics," is just as problematic.

Because the "some" often go unnamed, Bush can argue that his statements are true in an era of blogs and talk radio. Even so, "'some' suggests a number much larger than is actually out there," said Kathleen Hall Jamieson, director of the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania.

A specialist in presidential rhetoric, Wayne Fields of Washington University in St. Louis, views it as "a bizarre kind of double talk" that abuses the rules of legitimate discussion.

"It's such a phenomenal hole in the national debate that you can have arguments with nonexistent people," Fields said. "All politicians try to get away with this to a certain extent. What's striking here is how much this administration rests on a foundation of this kind of stuff."

Bush has caricatured the other side for years, trying to tilt legislative debates in his favor or score election-season points with voters.

Not long after taking office in 2001, Bush pushed for a new education testing law and began portraying skeptics as opposed to holding schools accountable.

The chief opposition, however, had nothing to do with the merits of measuring performance, but rather the cost and intrusiveness of the proposal.

Campaigning for Republican candidates in the 2002 midterm elections, the president sought to use the congressional debate over a new Homeland Security Department against Democrats.

He told at least two audiences that some senators opposing him were "not interested in the security of the American people." In reality, Democrats balked not at creating the department, which Bush himself first opposed, but at letting agency workers go without the usual civil service protections.

Running for re-election against Sen. John Kerry in 2004, Bush frequently used some version of this line to paint his Democratic opponent as weaker in the fight against terrorism: "My opponent and others believe this matter is a matter of intelligence and law enforcement."

The assertion was called a mischaracterization of Kerry's views even by a Republican, Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record) of Arizona.

Straw men have made more frequent appearances in recent months, often on national security — once Bush's strong suit with the public but at the center of some of his difficulties today. Under fire for a domestic eavesdropping program, a ports-management deal and the rising violence in Iraq, Bush now sees his approval ratings hovering around the lowest of his presidency.

Said Jamieson, "You would expect people to do that as they feel more threatened."

Last fall, the rhetorical tool became popular with Bush when the debate heated up over when troops would return from Iraq. "Some say perhaps we ought to just pull out of Iraq," he told GOP supporters in October, echoing similar lines from other speeches. "That is foolhardy policy."

Yet even the speediest plan, as advocated by only a few Democrats, suggested not an immediate drawdown, but one over six months. Most Democrats were not even arguing for a specific troop withdrawal timetable.

Recently defending his decision to allow the National Security Agency to monitor without subpoenas the international communications of Americans suspected of terrorist ties, Bush has suggested that those who question the program underestimate the terrorist threat.

"There's some in America who say, 'Well, this can't be true there are still people willing to attack,'" Bush said during a January visit to the NSA.

The president has relied on straw men, too, on the topics of taxes and trade, issues he hopes will work against Democrats in this fall's congressional elections.

Usually without targeting Democrats specifically, Bush has suggested they are big-spenders who want to raise taxes, because most oppose extending some of his earlier tax cuts, and protectionists who do not want to open global markets to American goods, when most oppose free-trade deals that lack protections for labor and the environment.

"Some people believe the answer to this problem is to wall off our economy from the world," he said this month in India, talking about the migration of U.S. jobs overseas. "I strongly disagree."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ap; bias; biased; bush; hitpiece; jenniferloven; loven; mediabias
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To: Pikamax

Jennifer Loven doesn't know what a straw man arguement is.


41 posted on 03/18/2006 3:35:27 PM PST by bad company ("Any damned fool can write a plan. It's the execution that gets you all screwed up." - James F. Hol.)
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To: Pikamax
When the president starts a sentence with "some say" or offers up what "some in Washington" believe, as he is doing more often these days, a rhetorical retort almost assuredly follows.

Google: Web Results 1 - 10 of about 225 for "jennifer loven" "some say"

White House Tests Flu Pandemic Readiness By JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer Saturday, December 10, 2005 "Some say that more comprehensive steps are needed to get ready for a possible pandemic, such as boosting the nation's public health infrastructure."

Please continue to enlighten us, Miss Loven.

42 posted on 03/18/2006 3:35:47 PM PST by lowbridge (I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming, like his passengers.)
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To: lowbridge
That's a straw man argument right there. But I forget: Democrats have pure motives and Republicans like Cretans, are born liars.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

43 posted on 03/18/2006 3:38:50 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Pikamax

Iraqi citizen gives JENNIFER LOVEN a purple finger...and it's not a thumb!


44 posted on 03/18/2006 4:43:33 PM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: Pikamax

Oh please. As if these same left wing hacks didn't blame Rush Limbaugh and anyone more conservative than Ted Kennedy for the Oklahoma City bombing.


45 posted on 03/18/2006 4:55:17 PM PST by Democratshavenobrains
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To: Pikamax

Of course, if the President ever dared identify the "some" of whom he speaks (which would be easy to do), he would be charged with "bullying", "abuse of power", and "McCarthyism".


46 posted on 03/18/2006 7:21:54 PM PST by pawdoggie
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To: lowbridge

And intelligent readers say....Loven & the AP are becoming more blatantly biased against the President with each 'editorialized' article printed!


47 posted on 03/18/2006 9:38:30 PM PST by JulieRNR21 (Katherine Harris is 'In It to Win It' .....Go here: http://www.electharris.org/)
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To: Pikamax
"It's such a phenomenal hole in the national debate that you can have arguments with nonexistent people," Fields said.
"All politicians
(and members of the Enemedia) try to get away with this to a certain extent. What's striking here is how much this administration rests on a foundation of this kind of stuff."

This is rich! I can not believe ANY ONE, least of all a member of the Enemedia, would put this in print.

Rush needs to see this and read while his perky Couric montage plays in the background.

48 posted on 03/18/2006 9:59:37 PM PST by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN - Support our troops. I *LOVE* my attitude problem! Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: Pikamax

Warning label should be applied to everything Jennifer writes. She is married to a former Clintonite and DNC big wig.


49 posted on 03/19/2006 5:18:51 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Are you not entertained? Are you NOT entertained? Is this not what you came here for?)
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To: Darkwolf377
Jennifer Loven is married to Roger Ballantine, a former Clinton adviser and also a paid 'environmental' adviser to the Kerry campaign.

Here is a dissection of my favorite Loven hit piece.

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/007958.php#007958
50 posted on 03/19/2006 5:07:18 PM PST by Carling (RIP Kirby Puckett - Another Part Of My Childhood Dies)
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To: lowbridge

That's right, I vaguely remembered that Jennifer Loven had previously written some outrageously biased articles, even by MSM standards, and your links provide the detail - thanks!! Amazing how you can be the spouse of a Clinton/DNC tool and yet be allowed to write the most outrageously biased "news" stories for AP. I'm not saying they can't employ anyone whose spouse is in politics (though maybe that would be a good rule!!), but at least there should be some attention to preventing someone with such a stunning conflict-of-interest from controlling the news output in such a biased way. She is a DNC hack and should be sent to staff the AP bureau in Zimbabwe. If they don't have a bureau there then she should be given the privilege of starting one.


51 posted on 03/19/2006 9:08:02 PM PST by Enchante (Democrats: "We are ALL broken and worn out, our party & ideas, what else is new?")
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To: Jeff Chandler
How many times have I heard or read "journalists" do this?

I've railed on about this for years! Just do a Google news search for "some say" and see what comes up. A regular Google search also turns up a lot of journalist use of non-existent "some say" to put forth a fake liberal slant on the news (21 million hits).

52 posted on 03/22/2006 9:06:53 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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