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Victor Davis Hanson: Bad taste and freedom
jewishworldreview.com ^ | February 9, 2006 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 02/09/2006 4:47:49 AM PST by Tolik

...Stunned, European diplomats have tried in vain to explain to Arab ambassadors that, in the West, governments neither own nor muzzle an often unwise and tasteless press. Hurt feelings and much worse are the price we are supposed to pay for free expression so central to consensual government. Hindus, Christians, Buddhists, Jews or Muslims in secular democracies simply don't burn foreign embassies when their faith is impugned in the free press.

Nor did the offended wish to hear that the intent of the cartoons... was to ridicule extremists who use religion to justify terrorism and the killing of civilians, rather than gratuitously to insult Islam.

...There is a great asymmetry in all this. Western notions of cultural tolerance and liberality are the benchmarks Muslims employ to condemn insensitive European journalism. Meanwhile, the Islamic Middle East is given a pass, as anti-Semitic state-run papers there daily portray Jews grotesquely.

...There is also an expectation that Westerners, purportedly soft and decadent, will apologize for the excesses of their culture, while Muslims abroad need not for the extremism of an Iranian president promising another genocide or Osama bin Laden's periodic vow to murder thousands more Americans.

... oil dependency, Middle Eastern petrodollar surpluses, jihadist terrorism and fear of nuclear weapons in the hands of terrorist-sponsoring regimes have, in varying ways, held too many in the West psychologically hostage.

But even more disturbing than such overt material constraints, the West is also increasingly unwilling to defend, or even to articulate, its own unique values, in fear of seeming hurtful and judgmental. In this latest incident, Europeans are expected to show remorse — not so much for their bad taste as for their very way of life.

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1 posted on 02/09/2006 4:47:52 AM PST by Tolik
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To: neverdem; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; yonif; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; Alouette; ...
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Nailed It!

This ping list is not author-specific for articles I'd like to share. Some for the perfect moral clarity, some for provocative thoughts; or simply interesting articles I'd hate to miss myself. (I don't have to agree with the author all 100% to feel the need to share an article.) I will try not to abuse the ping list and not to annoy you too much, but on some days there is more of the good stuff that is worthy of attention. You can see the list of articles I pinged to lately  on  my page.
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2 posted on 02/09/2006 5:00:03 AM PST by Tolik
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To: Tolik

"We are seeing an escalating clash of civilizations"

Michael Medved disagrees ? On Hugh Hewitt a couple days ago wouldn't call the Nation of Islam a "Civilization" insisting there are still barbarians.

Though as usual, Victor DH is superb


3 posted on 02/09/2006 5:13:35 AM PST by jcon40
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To: Tolik
Ping bumps!


Should a dog not be cooperative when brought inside a home, and continues to deficate and urinate on the carpets, that dog should be removed from that home.

Likewise, should the dog bite, or show signs of mental disease, that dog should be put down.

Not much to ponder here, just common sense.




Moe Hamad

Top Dog





4 posted on 02/09/2006 5:15:50 AM PST by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: Tolik

DANG! He's good!


5 posted on 02/09/2006 5:34:20 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Tolik

The biggest as yet to be realized, or even discusses, result of this whole cartoonflare-up...Turkey NEVER gets EU membership..


6 posted on 02/09/2006 5:36:48 AM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: jcon40
True. Still, I think all people who looks like disagree on paper about cartoons-gate: calling it clash of civilizations, or civilization v. barbarians, or saying that there is no clash, because one civilization did not show up for the clash -- with different rhetoric they all agree in substance: violent radical Islamism, or jihadism, or whatever its name, poses grand danger to our future. They try to exploit weakness, cowardice or ideological blindness of large part of the West to advance their cause. Those Muslims who don't act this way are not forceful enough with their response as they should have (some brave souls notwithstanding) for their and our survival.

And the bottom line is the West must get a clue. Because in this type of conflict our military superiority does not mean much. What matters is our will to defend our values.

7 posted on 02/09/2006 5:38:14 AM PST by Tolik
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To: jcon40
Michael Medved disagrees ? On Hugh Hewitt a couple days ago wouldn't call the Nation of Islam a "Civilization" insisting there are still barbarians.

Medved is right.

8 posted on 02/09/2006 6:12:44 AM PST by EricT. ("I reject your reality and substitute my own."-Adam Savage)
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To: EricT.

AS they say, put your money where your mouth is. When I see Europeans mopping up unemployment by increasing their militaries then, I'll believe they see the light.


9 posted on 02/09/2006 6:23:30 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Tolik
To my good FRiend, Tolik. Thanks for the faithful pings. VDH is superb.

Lando

10 posted on 02/09/2006 6:33:17 AM PST by Lando Lincoln (God bless Jared Linskens and his family.)
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To: Tolik

Glad to see VDH showing more interest in confronting islam. He's way of writing makes it entertaining to read.


11 posted on 02/09/2006 6:36:52 AM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: Tolik
"Westerners, purportedly soft and decadent..."
There is no doubt that much of the West is soft and decadent--viz. the Left (there is nothing liberal about these people). It dominates Europe.

The decadent Left also dominates much of America--viz. the Democrat Party, Hollywood, academia, and the Leftist enclaves, notably of the northeast and Pacific coasts.

The American Heartland, however--Bush Country--is healthy, vibrant, clear thinking, ascendant, the last great bastion of Western Civilization and the world's best hope.

Decadent Europe has rejected the leadership of the American Heartland and President Bush--the very things that could save it--in favor of suicidal decadence, denial, hubris, confusion, and delusion.

The decadent American Left has followed the example of Europe. John Kerry, the Democrat candidate for President in 2004, openly advocated following the European example.

The great question is whether circumstances will force Europe to awaken from its decadence, denial, delusion etc. in time to save itself, and whether the American Heartland will prevail over the decadent, delusional American Left.

Signs that the American Heartland will prevail are encouraging.

The future of Europe is less optimistic.

"And so now, in refusing to accept Muslim-imposed censorship, brave little countries like Demark and Holland are saying enough is enough — and waiting, perhaps in vain, for a word of support from America or Britain."
Yes. Well, America and Britain have rescued brave little coutries like Denmark and Holland--as well as the rest of Europe--from their suicidal foolishness a time or two before.

The graves of America's sons, scattered over Europe, are a testimony.

The last time America rescued Europe, her sons--most of them less than 21 years old--walked into Nazi machine gun fire, scaled the cliffs of Normandie, and died on the beaches to do so. America's sons still lie in the graves of Flanders fields etc.

Europeans did not learn from this experience. They have committed the same absurd mistakes of the past--have failed to learn--and have gotten themselves into another mess.

Furthermore, they rejected the guidance, advice, and leadership of the American Heartland--preferring instead the foolishness of the likes of Chirac, Villepin, and Shroeder--and ridiculed Americans for their caution and wise advice.

Americans are not likely to forget all this.

If brave little countries like Demark and Holland--and the rest of Europe as well--look to America and Britain for support--they had better give the American and British people some kind of assurance that they have learned something.

Americans are very reluctant to send their sons to die again because of European foolishness.

It is high time the American and British people said enough is enough.

12 posted on 02/09/2006 6:37:58 AM PST by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush and his surveillance program.)
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To: Tolik

No one writes as clearly on these issues as VDH... no one.


13 posted on 02/09/2006 6:38:19 AM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: sandyeggo


"This is it, in a nutshell:"

Nutshell? There was no "nutshell" this time.

For all his glorious insight, VDH leaves us with "nutshell interuptus".

No principal conclusions, only painstakingly simple talk about the extremely obvious contradictions in all this cartoon controvery writ in Sunday school simplicity for people as slow as you and I.

But gosh! he's a wonderful writer.


15 posted on 02/09/2006 7:14:23 AM PST by CBart95
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To: Tolik

I think calling them barbarians is not only accurate but useful. Let them respond - they either stand up and say "No we're not" and then attempt to demonstrate with relevent discussion that they are in fact not barbarians or let them stand up and act like barbarians and let us demonstrate what is to be done with barbarians.


16 posted on 02/09/2006 7:23:19 AM PST by jcon40
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To: sandyeggo

AW!

As slow as you are, don't change a hair for me(or us).

Everyone loves VDH. He's surely an "A" student...only he's a lazy "A" student.


18 posted on 02/09/2006 7:48:36 AM PST by CBart95
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To: Tolik
It's time to start extracting oil out of the shale in the western states and Canada even if it costs more and put the middle east out of business.
19 posted on 02/09/2006 8:48:29 AM PST by John Lenin
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To: Tolik
That's why papers across Europe, from Spain to Poland, have republished the cartoons and faced the consequences.

And well they should have. There is hope yet.
20 posted on 02/09/2006 9:07:27 AM PST by JamesP81
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