Terrorist Surveillance Program Designed to Detect, Prevent Attacks

American Forces Press Service ^ | Feb 5, 2006 | Samantha L. Quigley

[SandRat]

The Domestic Spying Scandal that wasn't.

PING!!!

[Mo1]

later read

[ASA Vet]

MI Ping

Welcome to the list hdstmf who was USAFSS in the early 60's to 70's. He's now living in Las Vegas.

[vaudine]

I believe the good general was wrong about he couldn't wiretap on OBL calling from somewhere in the US to somewhere else in the US. He would still rep. enemies of the US and a foreign state or entity.

What about the pickup and taping of the conversatiion between Gingrich, Boehner and someone else that got into McDermott's hands? Where was the MSM horror of that?

DISGUSTING!

VAUDINE

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Now the RINO's need to follow President Bush's lead
and go on the offense and nail the Dims PING

Time to bring back the white flag ad that the RINO
"big wigs" thought "offended" the Dims.

Time for the real conservatives on FR, be it Republicans, Independents or Democrats
(like Zell Miller and John O'Neill) to band together.

The "Politically Correct RINO's" on FR are the same group
who "swore"
klintoon, hitlery, hanoi kerry, sanbdi ber(bur)glar, al bore, jane beno,
would be prosecuted for
pardongate, chinagate, the bribes in upstate NY in the 2000 NY Senate race, waco, etc, etc,
"when" the "time was right".

[sgtbono2002]

Any sane person knew what the surveilance was about, Only the insane democrats and their Al Quaeda partners had a problem with it.

[Brad’s Gramma]

Thanks for the ping, Tonk.

BTTT!

[SandRat]

"Only the insane DEMONS and their Al-Quida pals in CAIR/ACLU costume thought otherwise.

[Grut]

Having been an Air Force officer, the words of an Air Force general in support of his boss don't do a lot for me. These guys are reflex arse-kissers.

Is it really true that FISA paperwork is so onerous that it can't reasonably be expected to be completed in 72 hours? If so, where was the administration's initiative to amend the law?

And what's with "The president's terrorist surveillance program?" I thought it was the government's program; what's next, giant pictures of GWB lining Pennsylvania Avenue?

[SandRat]

You were an AF Officer; how long in and what was your rank when you got out?

[FairOpinion]

"Is it really true that FISA paperwork is so onerous that it can't reasonably be expected to be completed in 72 hours?"

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And where do you think a terrorist will be in 72 hrs? Possibly in a plane aimed at the Capitol.


The 911 Commission itself said that FISA is too slow.


9/11 Commission: FISA Court Too Slow


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/1/30/90457.shtml?s=icp


As noted on yesterday's "Meet the Press" by National Review Online reporter Byron York, 9/11 Commission Report clearly states:

"The FISA application process continues to be long and slow. Requests for approvals are overwhelming the ability of the system to process them and to conduct a surveillance.”

In a passage not noted by Mr. York, the Commission blasts the FISA process even more harshly, complaining:
"The 'wall' between criminal and intelligence investigations apparently caused agents to be less aggressive than they might otherwise have been in pursuing Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) surveillance powers in counterterrorism investigations.

"Moreover, the FISA approval process involved multiple levels of review, which also discouraged agents from using such surveillance. Many agents also told us that the process for getting FISA packages approved at FBI Headquarters and the Department of Justice was incredibly lengthy and inefficient.

"Several FBI agents added that, prior to 9/11, FISA-derived intelligence information was not fully exploited but was collected primarily to justify continuing the surveillance."

Since the media generally regards the 9/11 Commission as the ultimate authority on such matters, we trust reporters will now stop insisting that the FISA process was wholly adequate to keep America safe from terrorists.

[vigilante2]

Thank you

[Grut]

Fourteen years, RIFed, O-3.

[SandRat]

What'd you do?

[Grut]

Electronic Warfare Officer on a BUF crew, mostly. K1575Z, to be exact.

[Grut]

And where do you think a terrorist will be in 72 hrs? Possibly in a plane aimed at the Capitol.

Unless I totally misunderstand, they can listen in immediately; the 72 hours is how long they have to ram the retroactive paperwork through.

[Steel Wolf]

Unless I totally misunderstand, they can listen in immediately; the 72 hours is how long they have to ram the retroactive paperwork through.

You totally misunderstand. The 72 hours is a useless and unused option, because it takes weeks or months to properly prepare a FISA warrant. Before the FISA court ever sees a request for a warrant, it has to pass internal muster, a process designed to weed out anything that wouldn't be a slam dunk approval. The FISA court is not a rubber stamp; it's a tough standard, and the judges are very strict. There's no way to 'ram' anything through them, emergency or not.

[bitt]

bless you, Tonk!!

Here's another reason why we need to be vigilant:

and they ain't protesting 9/11, either....

[xzins]

"Even after the president's authorization, if Osama bin Laden ... crossed the bridge (and) ... he's in Niagara Falls, N.Y., and he calls Pittsburgh, I still can't cover him," Hayden said.

This is an idiotic rule, if it's true. If Osama is in the US calling someone else in the US, then I want him monitored by every swinging intercept artist in our arsenal.

It is STILL the security of the US, and the president is still the Commander in Chief required by the Constitution to protect the US even at a moment's notice.