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Vanity: European Islamic Powderkeg: Exploding in nation near you? Civil Rights or Civil Disorder?
02/05/06 | Bob the redneck

Posted on 02/05/2006 3:29:16 AM PST by Caipirabob

Well, the powderkeg in Europe finally seems to have ignited. Driven to the brink of insanity over the assault on Islamicist sensitivities by the Sunday comics, Islamicists in Europe have exploded in anger over their perceived persecution and the overall insult of their religion of peace.

We are seeing protests take violent form all over Europe and the Middle East. In one case, gunmen stormed one of the satellite offices of one of the offending publishers. Altogether, the whole of Europe is wishing they had simply brought back old reruns of "Peanuts". Charlie Brown seemed to keep his nose out of these affairs, after all.

But I'm more than a little concerned, given what we've seen of Europe and their ability to confront such issues in the days since 9/11. Please indulge me:

Tell me, does this make you think of a the civil rights riots I've read about in the 1960's? Now back then, blacks had a completely valid complaint over equality, dignity and respect. I mean, the thought that some of my family or friends at some point would have to sit on the back of the bus because they were morena, mulatto or black angers me to no end. Heck, if my son spends a day at the beach or talks about going outside he turns a dark shade of brown. I'd go nuts if someone treated him differently because of that and made him sit of the back of the bus.

But we haven't done anything to Islamicists . Zip, zero...nada.

It seems to me the Islamicists in question in these scenarios immigrated into these European societies and seamlessly integrated with their welfare cultures. They immediately reached for the table-scraps/handouts that each society provided as a safety-net for the truly incapacitated and needy or their pathetic losers. And boy, did they come in droves.

So now we have a handful of European countries with a huge segment of Islamicists . Some may have risen above the others and integrated to the culture/economy and general traits of the given nation, but most clung pathetically to their archaic cultural traits that they brought with them. In doing so, they condemned themselves to the lowest common denominator of European society.

So despite periodic flare ups of intolerance and hatred on the part of these miserable immigrants, we are now seeing them assert themselves as a persecuted minority.

The complaint of persecution is the only point where I see the likeness of the 1960's.

But it ends with that. There just isn't any comparison of the two beyond the discontent and the rioting.

In addition, the complaints aren't over persecution so much as "Why won't society sink to our level so we can access it?!?"

Well, I can tell that in America, the blacks may have their problems in certain areas, but millions of them have excelled beyond any social barriers that formerly existed. I can also tell you first hand that many Muslim immigrants have done so as well. These people recognized what it took to excel in America, followed the rules and succeeded. In fact, I have a very close friend who's marrying one who's exceptionally successful (and her Islamicist parents heartily approve of the match.)

But not so in Europe? They probably have their success stories. The thing is, I just don't see the societal barriers that blacks had to confront as a minority in the 1960's. The blacks were the pioneers who demolished that barrier and have cleared the way for all subsequent groups of minorities to succeed thereafter without fear of such persecution. Members of my own family will live a better life because of this effort. I don't know about Europe, but I hardly belive for a second that they have any societal barriers in the sense that America had in the 1960's.

So where does all this anger in come from in European society? Where do they get the nerve to become violent and threaten true natives over the immigrant's cultural failure that has left them to fending for European table scraps?

To finally arrive at my point, my concern is this: In the 1960's not only society but law had to change in order to provide a grounds for equality and fairness that would serve humanity. This is absolutely necessary. The laws implemented have since served their purpose and we have seen a remarkable integration of blacks into mainstream society. Suffice to say, should black, latinos, asians or any other group desire to succeed, the roadblocks that formerly existed have been cleared away and these groups all stand on equal ground.

Yet in Europe today, there are no such roadblocks. The differences are entirely cultural, not race-based from the aspect of color. And those differences on part of Europe are what enables them to be successful nations in comparison with the homelands of the immigrants in question.

If Europe was to invoke law to implement policy to make the cultural aspects of these immigrants accepted as a societal standard, it would demean their society at the cost of their national identity. It would eventually lead to the destruction of their nation and leave them no better than the holes that these immigrants arrived from to begin with.

So what is the solution here? It's not a rights issue so much as a survival issue on the part of European society.

If the Europeans submit to the type of change being demanded from the immigrant groups, it will not lead to the embracing of equality that was demanded by minority groups in the 1960's. It will lead to the implementation of cultural traits as defined by the failed societies of Islamicist immigrants, the very same societies from which they finally escaped to Europe.

So what happens now? Does Europe cave in to the demands of this large minority group? Does the whole of Europe restructure their society and implement sharia law so that they can live in peace with their new Islamicist overlords? How long will that peace last before more demands arrive? When do they draw the line and decide that they will no longer exist as a culture themselves if they give in to these demands?

In short, cultural traits can be summed up as personal behavior. It is a choice that one makes in their life. If the said persecution was based upon color and race, in which one has no choice, it would be insufferable and inexcusable. I would side with them on that basis immediately. However, behavior, being a choice, is not a protected right. We don't tolerate criminals in society, we lock them away in jails. So if the criminal population suddenly complained that they were being persecuted because their culture implied that theft is normal, should we change society to conform with their beliefs? Not in America. How will Europe handle this new scenario with their cultural differences? What will the Europeans decide when Islamicists demand that Sharia law should govern all of them and that they are being persecuted because it doesn't currently?

I don't have those answers. I also have no faith in the resolve of the Europeans to survive as a people. They are lost to Socialism and have no values to defend as a result. Turn to God for help? They asked God to leave Europe long ago, and nature filled the vaccum with Islam.

So now, all that's left to do is watch the dominoes fall.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: comics; europe; jihadineurope; muslims; riots
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Thoughts?

Further reference:

Islam on the Outskirts of the Welfare State

Outrage of Muslim World is Misplaced ["Sharia Does Not Apply in the West."]

'Sensitivity' can have brutal consequences

1 posted on 02/05/2006 3:29:18 AM PST by Caipirabob
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2 posted on 02/05/2006 3:31:42 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Caipirabob

you are absolutely right not to have faith in europe defending itself. what we are seeing is where faith, albeit in a bizarre and ill say false relgion, will trump humanism every time. but then god told us this and we figured we knew better. these murderers have faith in their actions, while the west doesnt know east from west or north from south.


3 posted on 02/05/2006 3:36:34 AM PST by son of caesar
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We have found the soft underbelly of the enemy!

DRAW MORE CARTOONS!!!!!!


4 posted on 02/05/2006 3:38:29 AM PST by MedicalMess
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To: Caipirabob

"speak softly and carry a big stick"
-T.R.


5 posted on 02/05/2006 3:38:32 AM PST by JohnLongIsland
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I hate to say this, but their balls and guts were bred out of them decades ago. They'll fall over like dominos, but there is always hope for nations like Denmark. They have a perfect chance to show Europe the way out of this.

Namely by deporting their Muslim guests.

Great article, Bob.


6 posted on 02/05/2006 3:40:05 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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To: MedicalMess

7 posted on 02/05/2006 3:42:10 AM PST by Dallas59 ((“You love life, while we love death"( Al-Qaeda & Democratic Party))
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Send in Clint Eastwood movies!


9 posted on 02/05/2006 3:48:20 AM PST by MedicalMess
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To: Caipirabob

On the plus side, what happens in Europe will help frame the debate for the 06 midterms in the US.

Good piece, Caipirabob.


10 posted on 02/05/2006 3:49:12 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: MedicalMess

"We have found the soft underbelly of the enemy!

DRAW MORE CARTOONS!!!!!!"

LOL, like honey on an anthill.


11 posted on 02/05/2006 3:51:22 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: Caipirabob

"Driven to the brink of insanity over the assault on Islamicist sensitivities by the Sunday comics,"

These islamonazis were already insane, I don't see them as getting any worse than they've been all along. They are already suicidal and homocidal, what's next? They are looking for any excuse to "burn cars" and expand islamofascism all over the world, to include Europe. They have been a powderkeg all along.

My only hope is that the EU heads realize this and deport the lot of them. Europe is fast becoming a very unsafe region to travel in anymore. I wouldn't put it past these thugs to try blowing up more trains and buses. We will have to take drastic measures as I bet the Euroweenies will sit on their collective hands until things are so out of control, they'll have to come beg the USA for help.


12 posted on 02/05/2006 4:05:25 AM PST by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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Thoughts?

When I was a kid (50 years ago) the County I lived in (Thomas County, NW Kansas) paid a bounty on jack rabbits and coyotes. I collected $.25 for a jack rabbit scalp (both ears connected by a patch of scalp), and $5.00 for a coyote tail. I only collected on a half dozen or so coyotes, as they were hard to run down on my bike, but I had no problem exterminating many jacks.

.22 long rifle bullets cost less than $.01 each, and I reloaded 12 ga. high brass shells for about $.03 each.


13 posted on 02/05/2006 4:26:03 AM PST by tdscpa
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The complaint of persecution is the only point where I see the likeness of the 1960's.

And there's not a whole lot of that. The muslims want Europe to pay homage to them and their religion, not treat them as equals.

14 posted on 02/05/2006 4:28:46 AM PST by bkepley
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To: tdscpa

Things are a little more complicated now. Sad.


15 posted on 02/05/2006 4:37:41 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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I think things may get less "complicated" soon.


16 posted on 02/05/2006 4:44:41 AM PST by tdscpa
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To: Caipirabob
Thanks all for your comments! I'm very concerned about the implications for the future of Europe. I heard a very interesting comparison of the scenarios that exist today with those that occurred in WWII. Back then America was the isolationist that did not want to partake in the debate over European Socialism and the expansion of the Axis powers.

Today, America leads the battle against those forces of evil, and Europe has again begun to fall to it's own complacency.

The comparison comes where America has been a beacon warning the world against the evils of the expansion of fascist ideology. Europe is the isolationist, not wanting to get involved in confronting a known evil.

Yet due to geography and Socialist policies, Europe is inherently vulnerable. It shows especially know, when there is a confrontation of ideology. What does Europe lay claim to in the face of fanaticism? If you have no well founded beliefs nor faith, how do you confront those that do?

Europe has inevitably been played by both their governing philosophy as well as the fanatics who now openly war open them.

And there is no one they can blame but themselves.

Europe:


17 posted on 02/05/2006 4:48:18 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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Thoughtful article. You make an excellent point when you observe that only culture is causing the problems with the Mohammedans in Europe. The Blacks in America wanted to participate in society and laws very systematically kept them out. Mohammedans refuse to participate and passing laws can't make them.

But perhaps if a very aggressive "hand holding" attitude were taken by Europeans where many proofs of integration were demanded all along the way, from language proficiency to social participation to employability, with immediate deportation being in the offing at every step. Then there would be a cramming, forced form of integration which could only have one of two results, either the prospective "new" citizen would be deported away for dodging requirements, or they would become more national than the nationals.

But then I just used words like demand, proof, integration, and immediate deportation in reference to Europeans, which we know they (with the possible exception of the Dutch) just can't handle, at least not at this time.

So I would agree with you that it will probably not get solved and IMO will turn into rioting fires every week. I have an eerie feeling that I'll be seeing scenes similar to those of this week occurring repeatedly for the next ten or fifteen years at least. But I think the above solution can work, if the country has the will to demand it.

Thanks for your article, it was a good read.
18 posted on 02/05/2006 4:59:12 AM PST by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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I have no faith in the euroweenies. They will always cave in the face of adversity. Maybe some politician will be payed off, ala, Iraq, and go for sharia law.I do not know what happened but Europe has lost it's backbone.
19 posted on 02/05/2006 5:09:10 AM PST by bronxboy
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"Today, America leads the battle against those forces of evil..."

Well, an element in America at any rate.

This war IS a world war like WWII except that the msm and the Left are helping the enemy as the citizen soldier sits it out.

The people of the class who LED the citzen soldier back in WWII are presently out there all by themselves.

...presently...


20 posted on 02/05/2006 5:11:54 AM PST by TalBlack
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