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Hello 17th Amendment -- Goodbye Republic
Sierra Times ^ | 1/27/2006 | Jim Moore

Posted on 01/30/2006 6:23:10 AM PST by FerdieMurphy

When is the last time you read, or even glanced through, the U.S. Constitution and its 26 Amendments? Me neither. I’ve had so many other important things to do I haven’t taken time to even think about what happened to the most significant document in American history that made possible our land of freedom and independence.

What happened was that a bombshell, dropped on us in 1913, was more devastating to America than the market crash of ‘29. Why? Because, unlike the crash which lasted only through the 30’s, this bombshell will directly affect our lives, and the viability of the nation, for as long as we have a nation. The bombshell was the 17th Amendment we made to the U.S. Constitution.

Before 1913, the Congress of the United States was functioning in the way our Founders had intended it to function. That is, Senators were elected by their State legislatures, and were representatives of the states, which made up the republic.

Here’s how that arrangement was phrased in the Constitution: “The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, chosen by the legislature thereof for six years, and each Senator shall have one vote.”

Oh, but wait a minute, yelled the liberal crowd of that day. They charged that the Senate was “undemocratic” (exactly what our Founders intended it to be) and the Senators should therefore be directly elected; that is, by the people. So, thanks to a demo-campaign of “re-education and misinformation” the 17th Amendment was passed.

Now it reads like this: “The Senate of the United States shall be composed of Senators from each state, elected by the people thereof, for six years, and each Senator shall have one vote.”

With the simple changing of five words, the U.S. Senators no longer represented the interests of the State, but of their constituents, exactly like our Representatives do -- or are supposed to do.

And America immediately went from a Republic to a Democracy, just that quick.

Having the same constituency, with no substantive difference between the House and the Senate, both bodies began focusing on the short-range politics of confiscation and redistribution, and of preferential treatment of selected individuals and groups.

Moreover, under the 17th Amendment, the States are now treated as second-class citizens; literally inferior institutions subject to more and more Federal control.

What’s been the result? Political and social chaos; the one thing our Founders took such pains to help us avoid.

Moreover, this one simple change has put America on the road to socialism. If you think not, how else would you define giving more and more power to the government so it can confiscate and redistribute the nation’s wealth?

For that reason alone, tinkering with the original concept of the U.S. Constitution is not only dangerous but ultimately destructive.

The 17th Amendment should be repealed, and we should return this nation to the Republican vision of our Founding Fathers. Because if the “creators” of this nation didn’t know what was the best, fairest, and most effective form of government, who does? Apparently not us.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: backtothefuture; lifers; mdm; senate
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...with no substantive difference between the House and the Senate, both bodies began focusing on the short-range politics of confiscation and redistribution, and of preferential treatment of selected individuals and groups.

This has been one of the wrongs I believed needed righting long ago. But who, or what group, is going to take the lead to reverse this evil?

Instead of "moderates" (who stand for nothing) running around in search of a cause or two, perhaps a few would join true conservatives to change this back to where it made sense. If this hadn't happened there would be no lifers like Teddy Kennedy, Bobby Byrd-Brain, Patrick Leahy et al.

1 posted on 01/30/2006 6:23:13 AM PST by FerdieMurphy
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To: FerdieMurphy

Good to see someone recognizes the 17th Amendment for what it is.


2 posted on 01/30/2006 6:26:12 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
the U.S. Constitution and its 26 Amendments

Uh, I hate to break the news to this person, but there are TWENTY-SEVEN amendments.

3 posted on 01/30/2006 6:31:01 AM PST by Lekker 1 ("Computers in the future may have only 1000 vacuum tubes..." - Popular Mechanics, March 1949)
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To: Lekker 1

Oh no! Not another one!


4 posted on 01/30/2006 6:35:41 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: FerdieMurphy

You could not be more right.

To begin with, the idea that it was "undemocratic" to select federal Senators by the states elected representatives was false to begin with. What were the states' elected representatives if not "democratically" chosen? Are the rest of their decisions "undemocratic". The argument was alays false.

You are right, in that the goal achieved was transfer of power (desire to weild power) was transferred from the states to the federal congress, and that congress begin immediately to expand its powers at the expense of the executive.

Repealing the 17th amendment should become part of the long term conservative agenda.


5 posted on 01/30/2006 6:37:03 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli
Repealing the 17th amendment should become part of the long term conservative agenda.

Or, as the prestigious Klinton white house would say, "Sooner rather than later."

6 posted on 01/30/2006 6:39:17 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: FerdieMurphy
The 17th Amendment should be repealed

In addition to repealing the 17th Amendment we should adhere to the 10th Amendment:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

And, in addition, repeal the following amendment:

16th Amendment: The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

7 posted on 01/30/2006 6:39:18 AM PST by cowboyway (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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To: FerdieMurphy

I still think the demise of Federalism and the increasing tendency of the Supreme Court to legislate its policy preferences is more destructive than the direct election of Senators. Is there any research into how Senators acted before and after this amendment, to see if it made any real difference?


8 posted on 01/30/2006 6:41:27 AM PST by joebuck
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To: cowboyway

Right-O.


9 posted on 01/30/2006 6:42:06 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: FerdieMurphy
The famous XXVII Amendment (you don't get the raise you just voted yourself until a house election), first proposed in 1789, ratified in 1992; who could forget?

I've espoused the idea of repealing the XVII Amendment to glazed eyes for years. Should have know Freepers would understand!
10 posted on 01/30/2006 6:53:50 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman
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To: FerdieMurphy

Just imagine how much money would be taken out of the "campaign trail" if Senators came from the ranks of a state legislature. They would no longer need to appeal directly to the people and a simple letter to your local representative would be sufficient to show who you support.

That reason alone will prevent it's repeal from ever happening, too many rich elites who buy senate seats through campaign financing.


11 posted on 01/30/2006 6:54:25 AM PST by RockyMtnMan
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To: joebuck
Is there any research into how Senators acted before and after this amendment, to see if it made any real difference?

And in addition to that why should I trust the oh-so-glorious(/sarc) NY State Leg to choose a better Senator then I could. Ditto the State Leg's of Mass, CA, VT, MD, etc.

12 posted on 01/30/2006 6:56:03 AM PST by NYCynic
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To: cowboyway

And the third leg of the bad legislation regardimg the 16th and 17th amendments of 1913 is the Federal Reserve Act.


13 posted on 01/30/2006 6:56:24 AM PST by Dan217
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To: FerdieMurphy
Thanks to Woodrow Wilson, the U.S.'s worst president. He also gave us the income tax, the federal reserve, the UN (league of nations was the forerunner), alphabet soup of federal government buracracies and WWI (to bail out J.P. Morgan who was long British war bonds) which begat WWII.
14 posted on 01/30/2006 6:58:49 AM PST by hubbubhubbub
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To: Pan_Yan

State Legislator ping


15 posted on 01/30/2006 6:59:25 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny. "--Aeschylus)
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To: FerdieMurphy

I've long felt the 17th Amendment needs repeal as much as did Prohibition.


16 posted on 01/30/2006 7:01:41 AM PST by Redbob
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To: FerdieMurphy

I was educated to this in high school by a perceptive history teacher way back in '63. Haven't heard anything about it from anyone else since though I mention it whenever it seems apropriate. My childhood lib buddy says it is terribly fscist to think this way. Oh well, he has to make his success in academe.


17 posted on 01/30/2006 7:05:03 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: hubbubhubbub
and WWI (to bail out J.P. Morgan who was long British war bonds) which begat WWII.

Never heard this before. Do you get your historical info from the same source as your bad economic info?

18 posted on 01/30/2006 7:05:26 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: NYCynic
"And in addition to that why should I trust the oh-so-glorious(/sarc) NY State Leg to choose a better Senator then I could."

Would the legislature of NY have selected Hillary Clinton, the buffoon from Arkansas's wife?

19 posted on 01/30/2006 7:05:50 AM PST by Redbob
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To: FerdieMurphy

BTT!


20 posted on 01/30/2006 7:07:33 AM PST by Inyo-Mono (Life is like a cow pasture, it's hard to get through without stepping in some mess. NRA.)
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