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"Abortion and the Conscience of a Nation" : by President Ronald Reagan, 1983
OrthodoxyToday.org ^ | January.22,1983 | Ronald Reagan

Posted on 01/21/2006 2:19:19 PM PST by Reagan Man

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1 posted on 01/21/2006 2:19:22 PM PST by Reagan Man
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To: cgk

*ping*


2 posted on 01/21/2006 2:23:06 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Yes. The man really does have a dog named "Splash".)
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To: Reagan Man; 4lifeandliberty; AbsoluteGrace; afraidfortherepublic; Alamo-Girl; AlbionGirl; ...

Pro-Life/Pro-Baby ping!

Please FReepmail me if you would like to be added to, or removed from, the Pro-Life/Pro-Baby ping list...


I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born. ~Ronald Reagan, quoted in New York Times, 22 September 1980


3 posted on 01/21/2006 4:41:15 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Thanks for the ping ;)


4 posted on 01/21/2006 4:41:42 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: cgk; Reagan Man
Thanks,
 
It's also here on these threads.

5 posted on 01/21/2006 7:32:22 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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To: Coleus; Reagan Man

Thank you! I love that! I'm glad to see it posted periodically, to remind so many of the great words of a Great Man.


6 posted on 01/21/2006 7:43:53 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: cgk
: )

yea, it sure was posted frequently, I'm not too happy that non ever received 1,000 hits.
7 posted on 01/21/2006 7:53:20 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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To: cgk

Thanks for the ping!


8 posted on 01/21/2006 8:48:10 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Coleus; cgk
>>>>.... I'm not too happy that non ever received 1,000 hits.

Me too.

Yesterday was the 25th anniversary of Reagan's First Inauguration. I posted about ten threads over an 18 hour period in celebration of that anniversary. The general response was weak. Tomorrow is the 33rd anniversary of Roe v Wade. You can see how this thread has been received. Another weak response. This is the ninth time the Reagan essay on abortion has been posted on FR since 2002. Only one of those threads received over 100 replies. To be exact, 157 back in 2002.

Sometimes I wonder just how conservative FR really is.

If you look at the current breaking news sidebar, you'll see a post called "Top 10 Greatest Quips from Ronald Reagan". Not a very serious thread, yet is has received over 200 replies. Go figure.

9 posted on 01/21/2006 9:11:00 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Reagan Man

Sometimes I wonder just how conservative FR really is. >>

me too, and how pro life it really is.


10 posted on 01/21/2006 9:17:08 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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To: Coleus
Several years back JR added a forum to FR called "RLC Liberty Caucus". RLC stands for, Republican Liberty Caucus. A forum intended for libertarian-Republicans to discuss issues. Sounds like a political mismatch to me. LOL It had a total of 12 threads posted to it in all of 2005. Not popular at all. Abortion has gotten strong support on some threads in the past, while others have not been popular.

What am I driving at. Back to my original comment. Just how conservative is FR?

11 posted on 01/21/2006 9:29:29 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Coleus; Reagan Man; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Sometimes I wonder just how conservative FR really is. >>

me too, and how pro life it really is.


WPtG were having this discussion recently. I neatly killed this thread with this post:

Which truck do YOU find more offensive? The truck in the story headed to the Super Bowl? Or the truck in the cartoon below?

That thread was not only pinged to the Pro-Life list, it was pinged to the NFL ping list... no pictures of the Truth Truck were posted, but noone answered the question either.

Here is the Statement by the founder of Free Republic:

As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc. We also oppose the United Nations or any other world government body that may attempt to impose its will or rule over our sovereign nation and sovereign people. We believe in defending our borders, our constitution and our national sovereignty.

Note that "Pro-God" and "Pro-Life" come first in the statement.

It is becoming quite common to surf around FR and see pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia, pro-death posters arguing with other FReepers and not only on the pro-life or abortion threads. Not all of them are trolls - a good chunk of them are of the category "Well I'D never have an abortion but it's none of my business if anyone else wants one, not even a teen girl! "

However, for the first time in a long time, I had 2 recent requests to be added to the Pro-Life/Pro-Baby ping list. So perhaps it's not as bleak as I think.

12 posted on 01/21/2006 9:32:21 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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>>>>"Well I'D never have an abortion but it's none of my business if anyone else wants one, not even a teen girl! "

Last night I was debating with a certain FReeper on this thread Kennedy Says Alito 'Itching to Overturn Roe v. Wade'. Very interesting exchanges.

This FReeper actually had an epiphany right on that thread. He went from being pro-abortion to being pro-life in the blink of an eye. At least he said he did. You've got to read this thread. This guy is a riot.

I think he represents the political positions of a lot of recent signups on FR. A bunch of wish-washy centrists, Democrat converts and libertarians pretending to be conservatives.

13 posted on 01/21/2006 9:54:15 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: cgk
Btw, the FReeper in question starts posting here.
14 posted on 01/21/2006 9:59:31 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Reagan Man
Sometimes I wonder just how conservative FR really is.

FR pretty much covers the spectrum of the GOP. IMHO, the problem with this thread is that it is too long. Most people are looking for a quick read, that is why the post about the 10 greatest quotes is getting more response. Most people don't realize how deep Reagan spoke on issues. Bush has never said more than 4 sentences about abortion in a speech and has never spoke as eloquently or as forcefully on the issue as Reagan. On the plus side, Bush's Supreme Court appointments appear solidly against abortion.

15 posted on 01/21/2006 10:12:06 PM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right
>>>>FR pretty much covers the spectrum of the GOP.

Maybe that is part of the problem. FR has never promoted a particular political party. FR exists to advance the conservative agenda. That's why I come here. Not all Republicans are conservative. JR has made support for PresBush a priority because of the WOT. Nothing wrong with an America first attitude.

>>>>Most people are looking for a quick read ...

Are you saying that FReepers have short attention spans? Most conservatives I know are voracious readers. If you read the Reagan essay on abortion before, no reason to read it again, but a comment is in order. After all, tomorrow is the 33rd anniversary of Roe v Wade.

Frankly, there has been a growing amount of crapola being posted on FR over the last couple years. Half of what is posted on FR has nothing to do with conservatism and a significant amount of the posts are tied to liberal writings, from liberal websites. Exactly what conservatives are strongly opposed to. Makes no sense to me.

Sometimes I think FR has turned into a daily soap opera and not the public square for conservative issues, it was designed to be.

16 posted on 01/21/2006 10:42:06 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Reagan Man

Thank you! I read over the majority of the thread. I hope the epiphany is genuine... it's hard to say because speaking on other issues, the poster seems very wishy-washy. Although looking at their profile, I see it states "Pro-Life". Perhaps that is part of the first epiphany with more to come! :) I appreciated your and other's arguments to educate the poster on the issue. Many times I see the threads dissolve into flame wars. BTW - I just categorized this in Front Page News, as it is highly relevant today: which as you know is the 33rd anniversary of Roe v Wade.


17 posted on 01/22/2006 8:49:32 AM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: Reagan Man
Although looking at their profile, I see it states "Pro-Life".

I retract this statement. I confused this with another poster (I now cannot remember) who WAS wishy-washy on the issue.

18 posted on 01/22/2006 8:52:04 AM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: Reagan Man
Abortion is not about saving women’s lives!

Studies Find Abortions Have Long-Term Adverse Effects

Total Abortions since 1973

45,951,133

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Why the drop after 1960? (in deaths of women from illegal abortions)

The reasons were new and better antibiotics, better surgery and the establishment of intensive care units in hospitals. This was in the face of a rising population. Between 1967 and 1970 sixteen states legalized abortion. In most it was limited, only for rape, incest and severe fetal handicap (life of mother was legal in all states). There were two big exceptions — California in 1967, and New York in 1970 allowed abortion on demand. Now look at the chart carefully.

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Abortion Statistics - Decision to Have an Abortion (U.S.)

· 25.5% of women deciding to have an abortion want to postpone childbearing

· 21.3% of women cannot afford a baby

· 14.1% of women have a relationship issue or their partner does not want a child

· 12.2% of women are too young (their parents or others object to the pregnancy)

· 10.8% of women feel a child will disrupt their education or career

· 7.9% of women want no (more) children

· 3.3% of women have an abortion due to a risk to fetal health

2.8% of women have an abortion due to a risk to maternal health

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So how many women’s lives have been saved by abortion?

Only about 3% of abortions since 1972 were reported to be “due to a risk to maternal health.” A reasonable person would recognize that not all of those cases represent a lethal risk. But let’s say they did. That means that nearly 45 million fetuses were butchered to save the lives of about 1.3 million women. Or put another way; 35 babies are killed to save each woman.

Abortion was legal in all 50 states prior to Roe v. Wade in cases of danger to the life of the woman.

Roe v Wade: FULL Text (The Decision that wiped out an entire Generation 33 years ago today)

19 posted on 01/22/2006 11:08:57 AM PST by TigersEye (Are your parents Pro-Choice? I guess you got lucky! ... Is your spouse?)
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To: TigersEye

Thanks for the post.


20 posted on 01/22/2006 11:16:25 AM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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