Chinese map claims to back theory that China discovered America

AFP ^ | 1/17/06

[Bobibutu]

"I'm a little skeptical."

Yeah - all the rivers - esp the ones in Alaska and Siberia - they must of had jet boats and lots of fuel to explore them ... and how did they miss the Amazon?

[VOA]

The story that the Chinese didn't know what to do with gunpowder is in error.
They went straight from fireworks and flash powder to large rockets which
carried explosive loads used in warfare.

Citation please.
If James Burke and more than a few documentaries are all wet,
I'd like to know more.
Thanks in advance.

[muawiyah]

Plenty of stuff on the net regarding the development of the cannon, gunpowder, and rockets.

Check this site, and then do your own searches: http://www.spacetoday.org/China/ChinaHistory.html

[muawiyah]

Another thought. Did you ever hear of Mongolian Deer Stones?

See: http://ancientmongolia.com/ . Now, check this: http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=stonehead%20indiana&sa=N&tab=wi

The first image was erected somewhere in Mongolia circa 1000 BC. The second image (which has been "maintained and enhanced" by modern artists) was "there", in place, in Story, Indiana, when the first Europeans penetrated the area in or about 1542 (see: DeSoto).

The only well-known spot in North America North of Mexico to find surface "gold" easily is right there at "Stone Head" on Salt Creek. Whenever DeSoto asked the Indians where the gold was, they'd point in the direction of "Stone Head". Even in the Far West, this spot was known.

I'm wondering very seriously now if "Stone Head" at Story, Indiana is a Mongolian "deer stone".

I'd earlier thought this artifact had been carved by the Sa'ami settlers who moved into the area about 1835. But, maybe not.

So, you asked how it is that elements of North America's interior got added to the Ming (Mongol) Dynasty Map used or prepared by Admiral He. Maybe the Ming (Mongol) had that information all alone!

[muawiyah]

Hmmmmm ~ generations of stories. How about the Aztec story about the bearded teacher?

That's a good one to start with. Then there's the "force" behind the beginnings of the great structures at Caholia. You betcha' a bunch of junks sailing up the Mississippi to St. Louis would have stirred 'em up. Hiawatha, the Great Law Giver, walked the Earth among the Iriquois. (These things are in the same time-fame.)

[CJ Wolf]

The map also shows Atlantis in the middle of the Mediterranean Sea. A new world map from the late 1600s.

Vs. Chinese map 'copied' in the 1700's.

Here is one from 1569. This is an outline of a more detailed map.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[John Locke]

Cheng Ho (or "Zheng He" if you prefer hanyu pinyin to Wade-Giles, which I don't) was a great guy and China's best ever admiral, bar none. But his famous voyages emphatically were not voyages of discovery. After all, outside the Middle Kingdom, there is nothing worth discovering.

They were voyages of diplomacy. Send lots of huge ships, impress the locals, collect tons of tribute. So he mostly went where there were known to be locals to impress. In almost all his voyages, he followed existing trade routes largely pioneered by the Indians and (later) the Arabs. The one exception was that he may have sailed down the East coast of Africa beyond the normal routes, and perhaps even rounded the Cape. But America? No way.

The map, by the way, is a fraud. It shows California as an island, which means it was copied from a European map of the seventeenth or eighteenth centuries, which are the only maps with that error. My guess is that the John Speed map of 1627 was the original, but another likely candidate is the Moll world map of 1695.

[Olmec Head]

What sources are you referencing that claim Romans visited the Americas multiple times during the time of Christ and Augustus?

[presidio9]

Try a Google search on "Roman shipwreck
Brasil" for starters.

[KneelBeforeZod]

the detatched 'california' is pretty corny. my fake would have shown it correctly (if I were going to make one)

makes me think of the guy who faked all those mormon documents. he was quite clever in what he did at first. then he got too damn greedy for his own good. what a jackass

[endthematrix]

Romans In Brazil During The Second Third Century?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1038045/posts

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