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Deputies shoot 8th grade student on [FL] school campus
OrlandoSentinel.com staff ^ | 1-13-06 | OrlandoSentinel.com staff

Posted on 01/13/2006 9:46:28 AM PST by OXENinFLA

Deputies shot a "suicidal" 15-year-old student who brandished a gun at Milwee Middle School near Longwood this morning after chasing the boy into a restroom, Seminole County Sheriff Don Eslinger said.

The student was taken to a hospital, and his condition was not disclosed.

The boy brought a gun to school in his backpack, Eslinger said, and briefly took a fellow student hostage in a classroom while other students evacuated. After a scuffle, the 15-year-old ran from the classroom and "traveled with this firearm throughout the campus," Eslinger said. He was pursued by deputies into a restroom and isolated there. The other student was not injured, Eslinger said. Neither were any other students, teachers or school staff.

"He was suicidal," Eslinger said, and while deputies attempted to establish a dialog, he raised his gun to his neck and said he would kill himself or "die one way or another," Eslinger said.

At one point, the boy raised his weapon, and deputies shot him, Eslinger said.

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Not sure if the kid is dead or not.....
1 posted on 01/13/2006 9:46:29 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...

Ping.....


2 posted on 01/13/2006 9:46:58 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA

15 is a bit old to be in 8th Grade.


3 posted on 01/13/2006 9:47:07 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Semper Paratus

Depending on how the school is set up, 9th grade could be at middle.


4 posted on 01/13/2006 9:48:33 AM PST by mathluv (Bushbot, Snowflake, Dittohead ---- Bring it on!!!)
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To: OXENinFLA

I bet the gun belonged to one of his parents and boy are they gonna be in trouble.


5 posted on 01/13/2006 9:48:50 AM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: Semper Paratus
15 is a bit old to be in 8th Grade.

Not if one flunks a few grades

I went to school with a guy who flunked so many times that he drove to school in 8th grade and was able to to drink legally in high school

6 posted on 01/13/2006 9:50:06 AM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: Semper Paratus

Plus why shoot a suicidal person, shoot the gun, disable them somehow but don't shoot to kill.

I agree 15 is about 2-3 years to old for the 8th grade. I was 13 in the 9th. Yeah for me, right.


7 posted on 01/13/2006 9:50:27 AM PST by BookaT (My cat's breath smells like cat food!)
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To: OXENinFLA

suicide by cop....


8 posted on 01/13/2006 9:50:37 AM PST by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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To: OXENinFLA

At least the LEO's entered the school and ended the situation unlike the Columbine ones who set up camp first.


9 posted on 01/13/2006 9:50:39 AM PST by Gator101
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To: mathluv
The student was transported to a hospital with life-threatening injuries. Several reports indicated that the boy had died from his injuries but those reports were not confirmed.

SLIDESHOW: Images From Scene

Also at link

10 posted on 01/13/2006 9:50:56 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA

"No, kid - don't kill yourself! Let us handle it."


11 posted on 01/13/2006 9:51:17 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: BookaT
shoot the gun, disable them somehow but don't shoot to kill.

You're not an experienced shooter are you?

12 posted on 01/13/2006 9:52:17 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim ("We're a meat-based society.")
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To: Semper Paratus

Yup,15 is a tad old for 8th grade. I am all for education but some kids just are not cut out for school. I would be in favor of some sort of trade school for kids that can't make it in regular school. Lots of different trades out there that generate good wages that do not require a high school education.


13 posted on 01/13/2006 9:54:15 AM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: BookaT
Plus why shoot a suicidal person, shoot the gun, disable them somehow but don't shoot to kill.

You've obviously been watching too many TV shows. Shooting at the extremities of a person is not a sure thing. It's easier to be moving your hand around faster than the center of your mass. And what happens if the perp moves their hand suddenly and your shot misses? Do you think the OTHER person with a gun would start firing back, hitting who knows what(or whom)?

That is simply a bad idea.

14 posted on 01/13/2006 9:55:16 AM PST by SengirV
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shoot the gun, disable them somehow but don't shoot to kill.

OK, when did Katie Couric start posting at FR?

15 posted on 01/13/2006 9:55:19 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Tijeras_Slim; BookaT

To many 1950's cowboy movies.


16 posted on 01/13/2006 9:55:25 AM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: BookaT
"Plus why shoot a suicidal person, shoot the gun, disable them somehow but don't shoot to kill. "

You are watchign WAYYY too much TV. Real life is not like that, where every cop can hit a quarter from 50 paces away.

Cops, shooting with a handgun, aim for the center of mass. With a gun pointed back AT them they cannot afford to miss.

17 posted on 01/13/2006 9:55:28 AM PST by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help...)
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To: BookaT
Plus why shoot a suicidal person, shoot the gun, disable them somehow but don't shoot to kill.

That is the stuff of movies, not reality.

I know of only one case where an armed criminal was purposefully disarmed through shooting the gun out of his hand. He was sitting in a lawn chair in his front yard with a young child in his lap who he was holding hostage. The gun was in his right hand and it was resting on the arm rest, virtually motionless. A SWAT sniper on a roof across the street was able to shoot the pistol out of his hand.

18 posted on 01/13/2006 9:55:39 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: BookaT
Plus why shoot a suicidal person, shoot the gun, disable them somehow but don't shoot to kill.

"Shoot the gun"?? You have got to be kidding me. As has been pointed out numerous times on this forum, once a cop makes the decision that deadly force is necessary to protect himself or someone else, then "deadly force" is used- the aim is always to the "center of mass", i.e. the torso. Anything else, like aiming for the gun, extremities, etc. is foolhardy and dangerous.
19 posted on 01/13/2006 9:55:56 AM PST by armydoc
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I bet the gun belonged to one of his parents...

What makes you say that?

20 posted on 01/13/2006 9:57:13 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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