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Bush Extends Greetings To All Celebrating Kwanzaa
US Dept of State ^
| December 19, 2005
| George W. Bush
Posted on 12/28/2005 11:40:33 AM PST by presidio9
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To: Clara Lou
The President's statement does no such thing. Go read it. But a Presidential acknowledgment such as this would seem to lends credibility to it. If this wasn't the purpose in this case, what would it be?
To: Clara Lou
extol: to praise highly : GLORIFY [from Webster's dictionary] You have exaggerated. The President's statement does no such thing. Go read it. You're entitled to your opinion. You've certainly stated it often enough over the past few days that you feel that Bush did no wrong in mentioning Kwanzaa. I think that the vast majority of FReepers here would disagree with you, but you can say whatever damned crazy thing that comes to your mind and that you bang out on your keyboard. However, your opinion not withstanding, Bush was extolling the virtues of Kwanzaa when he gave it such unworthy praise and recognition.
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posted on
12/28/2005 4:53:40 PM PST
by
Spiff
("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
To: presidio9
Omygosh! Kwanzaa is this week???
Shoot. And I haven't bought a single thing for anyone.
Oh, well. Try again next year.
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posted on
12/28/2005 4:54:48 PM PST
by
Texas Eagle
(If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
To: Luis Gonzalez
Because its observants are American citizens just like you are, and he is their president just like he is yours. So are the Klansmen who celebrate Klanzaa (invented holiday, just like Kwanzaa, to prove my point). Would you defend him in recognizing a holiday such as Klanzaa? No difference between the two.
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posted on
12/28/2005 4:55:13 PM PST
by
Spiff
("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: presidio9
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posted on
12/28/2005 4:58:44 PM PST
by
jw777
Comment #107 Removed by Moderator
To: Spiff
Do we, or do we not have freedom of religion in this country?
Speaking of invented religions...let's talk about Utah.
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posted on
12/28/2005 5:01:19 PM PST
by
Luis Gonzalez
(Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
To: Luis Gonzalez
Do we, or do we not have freedom of religion in this country? Speaking of invented religions...let's talk about Utah. Wait? Are you saying that Kwanzaa is a religion? Because, in fact, it is. See Kawaida.
So, why is it being taught and celebrated in so many of our schools?
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posted on
12/28/2005 5:03:06 PM PST
by
Spiff
("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
To: presidio9
Bush Extends Greetings To All Celebrating Kwanzaa
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posted on
12/28/2005 5:04:22 PM PST
by
reagan_fanatic
(Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence - R. Kirk)
To: Spiff
"So are the Klansmen who celebrate Klanzaa (invented holiday"Invented by you apparently...unless you have information not available on the Internet on the Klan's rituals and celebrations of Klanzaa.
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posted on
12/28/2005 5:05:18 PM PST
by
Luis Gonzalez
(Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
To: Luis Gonzalez
Do we, or do we not have freedom of religion in this country? And, by the way, you failed to answer my question about the appropriateness of the President recognizing Klanzaa - the fictitious KKK holiday. Why is that? Do you cede the point or are you just trying to change the subject and turn this Kwanzaa thread into a religious flameware about the predominant religion in Utah?
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posted on
12/28/2005 5:05:49 PM PST
by
Spiff
("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
To: Luis Gonzalez
Invented by you apparently...unless you have information not available on the Internet on the Klan's rituals and celebrations of Klanzaa. I said it was an invention used to prove a point. Stop deflecting and answer the question. Would it be appropriate for President Bush to recognize a holiday such as Klanzaa - or even Hitler's birthday - similarly to his recognition of Kwanzaa in light of your statement that he is the President of all Americans?
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posted on
12/28/2005 5:07:13 PM PST
by
Spiff
("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
To: Jigsaw John
But a Presidential acknowledgment such as this would seem to lend credibility to it.
In my opinion, this is much ado about nothing. A written statement from the Press Office that no one cares about but a few deluded Kwanzaa celebrators and a few very dedicated FR Kwanzaa-haters isn't going to have much effect one way or the other. I'd just as soon the POTUS ignored Kwanzaa, but I can't see making a mountain out of a molehill because he didn't. Some of the posters here are pretty venomous about it--why? Why bother? It's the same people thread after thread, day after day. Some people are just happier badmouthing.
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posted on
12/28/2005 5:10:49 PM PST
by
Clara Lou
(A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality. --I. Kristol)
To: W Tannenbaum
Just another attack on our Culture...but this time from our so called "Conservative" President.
Ridiculous beyond words.
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posted on
12/28/2005 5:12:58 PM PST
by
Clara Lou
(A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality. --I. Kristol)
To: Clara Lou
But a Presidential acknowledgment such as this would seem to lend credibility to it.
In my opinion, this is much ado about nothing. You are probably correct. However it does seem that a Presidential acknowledgment such as this is met to lend credibility to this "holiday".
To: Spiff
First and foremost, there is no such thing as Klanzaa...so to carry on a discussion about what someone may do under a completely hypothetical situation is a load of garbage.
It's not me trying to turn this discussion into a religious flame war.
Simply stated.
By and in large, the observants of Kwanza (I know some) are not members of racial hate groups, and in spite of the fact that the history of the Kwanza creator may be filled with violence and hate, his sins do not fall on the observers, any more than children will be put to death for their fathers.
They are guilty of little more than celebrating a made up holiday.
As a matter of fact, my Kwanza observant friends observe Christmas.
Perhaps you should educate yourself in the meaning of Kawanza, for it is neither a religious or a political Holiday,and in no way seeks to replace Christmas.
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posted on
12/28/2005 5:16:00 PM PST
by
Luis Gonzalez
(Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
To: Spiff
By the way...words have meaning, so quit spreading misinformation.
Kwanza is not a holiday.
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posted on
12/28/2005 5:17:11 PM PST
by
Luis Gonzalez
(Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
To: Clara Lou
In my opinion, this is much ado about nothing. A written statement from the Press Office that no one cares about but a few deluded Kwanzaa celebrators and a few very dedicated FR Kwanzaa-haters Wrong. It is displayed prominanently on the White House website and is archived as an official presidential message. It is given equal billing with the President's Christmas message and his Hannukah message. Are you saying that those messages are just worthless statements that no one reads or cares about?
Why can't you just admit that the president was wrong in recognizing or mentioning Kwanzaa. I mean, you do as much when you say that you would have preferred that he ignored it. We agree! I wish he had ignored it. But it isn't a small thing. He is lending credibility and legitimacy to a fake holiday invented by a violent, sadistic thug to spread his virulent brand of racist black nationalism and Marxism. As I said to you before, either the President is pandering to the wrong crowd - one that he's never going to reach anyway - or he's simply ignorant about the origins and nature of Kwanzaa. Or both.
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posted on
12/28/2005 5:21:56 PM PST
by
Spiff
("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
To: Jigsaw John
Why interpret it as his intention to "lend credibility" to Kwanzaa? Why not interpret it as his desire to acknowledge a Black holiday and thus avoid being called racist--which we know he's sensitivie about? Until the "extolling the virtues" comment made earlier, I really didn't realize how minimally laudatory to Kwanzaa itself the statement actually was. It's more laudatory of Black contributions to society than it is of the holiday.
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posted on
12/28/2005 5:23:36 PM PST
by
Clara Lou
(A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality. --I. Kristol)
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