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To: Spiff
First and foremost, there is no such thing as Klanzaa...so to carry on a discussion about what someone may do under a completely hypothetical situation is a load of garbage.

It's not me trying to turn this discussion into a religious flame war.

Simply stated.

By and in large, the observants of Kwanza (I know some) are not members of racial hate groups, and in spite of the fact that the history of the Kwanza creator may be filled with violence and hate, his sins do not fall on the observers, any more than children will be put to death for their fathers.

They are guilty of little more than celebrating a made up holiday.

As a matter of fact, my Kwanza observant friends observe Christmas.

Perhaps you should educate yourself in the meaning of Kawanza, for it is neither a religious or a political Holiday,and in no way seeks to replace Christmas.

117 posted on 12/28/2005 5:16:00 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
First and foremost, there is no such thing as Klanzaa...so to carry on a discussion about what someone may do under a completely hypothetical situation is a load of garbage. It's not me trying to turn this discussion into a religious flame war. Simply stated.

You refuse to answer the question because of the Klanzaa thing? You just refuse to accept your hypocrasy on the subject, so let me ask it differently. Would you similarly defend a presidential message sending "greetings" to and extolling the virtures of any sort of KKK holiday or possibly Hitler's birthday? I'm sure that many Muslims celebrate the 9/11 attacks as a holiday. Would it be OK if the President sent them a friendly little official presidential proclamation?

By and in large, the observants of Kwanza (I know some) are not members of racial hate groups, and in spite of the fact that the history of the Kwanza creator may be filled with violence and hate, his sins do not fall on the observers, any more than children will be put to death for their fathers. They are guilty of little more than celebrating a made up holiday. As a matter of fact, my Kwanza observant friends observe Christmas. Perhaps you should educate yourself in the meaning of Kawanza, for it is neither a religious or a political Holiday,and in no way seeks to replace Christmas.

I am quite educated on Kwanzaa, its origins, and its meanings as described by its founder and the official "keeper" of Kwanzaa, Ron Everett (aka. Maulana Karenga). In fact, I've considered writing a book on the subject given all of the research I've done and information I've gathered about Kwanzaa and the writings of its crazed founder. Most of what I've learned did, in fact, come from Everett himself. His own writings damn him far more than I ever could. Go check out a few library books and see for yourself.

Kwanzaa does, in fact, seek the replace Christmas. In fact, Kawaida - the pseudo-religious source of Kwanzaa - seeks to replace Christianity as Everett disdainfully considers Christianity and Judaism to be "spookism". His term, not mine. Kwanzaa and Kawaida are wholly incompatible with Christianity and Judaism. I hope your Kwanzaa celebrating suckers...er...friends are aware of that.

123 posted on 12/28/2005 5:29:25 PM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Perhaps you should educate yourself in the meaning of Kawanza, for it is neither a religious or a political Holiday,and in no way seeks to replace Christmas.

Perhaps you need to read your own tagline.

219 posted on 01/02/2006 7:05:48 AM PST by Junior_G
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