Posted on 12/25/2005 2:58:41 PM PST by GermanBusiness
I've been dating a woman in St. Petersburg, Russia for over a year whose grandfather was apparently given a lethal injection by the communists when he went in for a routine physical in the late 1940s.
His name: Fyedor Korablyev, born 16 February 1907
Even before the apparent murder, the family has been afraid to talk about any relation to the Romanov Family but an older family member has just told me that Alexei Romanov died as a monk in Siberia in 1960.
The world is aware that Alexei's bones were never found. He was not executed with this family in 1918. He and his sister Maria survived. A man named Heiko supposedly claimed to be Alexei to his American wife...and she announced this after his death in the 1970s...but her attempts to have the DNA tested somehow "fell through".
I wonder why she doesn't try harder.
See the below link for more detail on that.
I actually have more details of the family story including a possible location of Alexei's grave, but because of the explosive nature of it all, and because of the history of pretenders, I am not going to say something here that is either stupid or worthy of headlines.
The family I know is not dishonest or status-seeking in any way. But it is possible that many Russian families developed "secret traditions" that they were Romanov descendants...as a way of coping with the hardships of Soviet life. They may be believing a falsehood without knowing it. But they are too scared to find out and it does not seem to be a fear of learning that it all isn't true. It is more a nagging fear of what the authorities might still be trying to hide.
I would just like to ask:
1) Does anyone out there have access to the real remnants of the Romanov Family whose representatives could quickly check some things of interest...if they are still interested?
2) Are there extended family trees available that could identify the above individual (the grandfather) if that name, which was used under Stalin's reign, was actually the name the grandfather used before the Bolshevik's took over.
Here is an interesting link regarding the fact that Alexei Romanov's bones and the Grand Duchess Maria's bones were never found, while the pretenders so far have all been proven to be just that: pretenders.
http://members.surfeu.fi/thaapanen/Articles/st12.html
I have specific information that, if I can confirm a few points, I would fly to a specific Siberian destination one weekend to investigate further.
What was also interesting is that I discovered the alledged Foster parents of Alexi was Veerman, which is close to Vrooman. In fact they sound similar when said.
This sad little lizard told me that he was a brontosaurus on his mother's side. I did not laugh; people who boast of ancestry often have little else to sustain them. Humoring them costs nothing and adds to happiness in a world in which happiness is always in short supply.
ROBERT HEINLEIN
[If I had a nickel for every pretender to the Imperial Russian Throne out there I could stop buying lottery tickets. This is right out of the Oliver Stone school of history.]
That said...Alexei's destiny is still a mystery, although it shouldn't be all that hard to clear it up. I know a family that lived within a square kilometer of Alexei as he grew up. The grandfather, who was Alexei's age, was apparently killed by the Soviets. Specific information on the grave was given to me. Ain't a bad lead to take an hour or two to follow up on. Not yet enough for me to fly to Siberia of course. But a few hours on the Internet? Entertaining at least.
I like chickens, Eddy!
BTTT
Queen Victoria had a daughter named Alice Maud Mary, Princess of SAXE-COBURG. Her daughter was Alexandre Fedorovna, Czarina of Russia. She married Czar Nicholas II of Russia and their son was Alexis Nicolaievich Romanov, who had hemophilia.
As can be seen from this example, the defective X-chromosome can be carried hidden down an unbroken line of females until a male child is born who is afflicted with the disease.
It has often been stated that hemophilia hit the Royal Families of Europe because of inbreeding. However, this was not really true. First, it was a common practice among all families of Europe, both high and low, to marry cousins. Also, the royal families of Europe were not really that inbred. The fact that a princess from Germany could marry a prince from Russia provided more diversification than perhaps could be enjoyed by common people, who usually married within their own town or village.
An often unnoticed fact about the case of Queen Victoria is that she was the first member of European Royalty to carry the gene of hemophilia. The question then arises: From where did she get that gene?
The inescapable conclusion is that, since no other member of European Royalty prior to Queen Victoria had hemophilia, this must mean that some unknown man who was not royalty popped her mother. In other words, stated differently, Queen Victoria was a bastard! More than that, since virtually the entire European royalty is descended from Queen Victoria, this means that all of the Royal Families of Europe are bastards! (Of course, we already knew that!)
Now, the question is: From where did this bastard gene originate?
Queen Victoria's father Edward was the son of King George III who lost the American colonies.
He was probably gay. He did not marry until a 10 months before Queen Victoria was born. He died at age 52 a few months after Queen Victoria was born. The defective gene for haemophilia probably did not come from him. It would have come from the man who slept with Queen Victoria's mother in order to produce Victoria.
There is still a debate as to whether the bones in the grave are those of the Grand Duchesses Olga, Tatiana, and Maria or Olga, Tatiana and Anastasia.
Also, one of the soldiers involved in the execution and the body disposal (carted out to some woods, slashed and stabbed repeatedly, burned in a fire and then thrown into a pit with a great deal of sulfuric acid) mentioned taking aside the bodies of the tzarevich and the tzarina and specifically destroying those bodies (more so than the others) because they were angrier about those two than the others. Offhand, I would imagine that while it would be difficult (no matter how shot up and stabbed the body was) to mistake the tzarevich for someone else in the party (there was no other adolescent boy), it would have been fairly easy to mistake one of the Grand Duchesses for the tzarina, as the bodies would have been naked and quite brutally treated by then.
At this point (having been something of a Romanov buff for several years) I am rather sure that this is the sort of mystery that will never be uncovered; I am also fairly sure that no revolutionary in his right mind would have permitted the tzarevich to live, as he would be the rightful heir to the throne and could be used as such by counter-revolutionary forces. It was only brutality, by the way, to kill the Grand Duchesses; according to Russian tradition, neither they or any of their descendants (even if the descendants were male) could succeed the throne.
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Wouldn't the rebellion have been better off by displaying the dead bodies of the self-indulgent monarchy of Russia?
There was a guy in Calif that was a good "Alexei" too.
[It was only brutality, by the way, to kill the Grand Duchesses; according to Russian tradition, neither they or any of their descendants (even if the descendants were male) could succeed the throne.]
From what I understand, not however from the Korablyov Family, the girls and their mother were badly mistreated sexually. But the White Army was not far away from Ekaterinburg when they were killed. Since Alexei was, in fact, the most valuable member of the group...that argues that he MIGHT have been the one member who was not killed on Lenin's orders.
And what do I mean MIGHT. Apparently, he was NOT executed that day. Since the bodies were all "destroyed"...whoever did the killing would have been able to tell Lenin that everyone was dead...while holding the valuable Alexei as a hostage for ransom from the White Army that was about to recapture the area.
Did you bring the family along?
[Why the secrecy of destroying the bodies, by burning, sulphuric acid and then burying.]
One good reason would be to hide the fact from Lenin that Alexei was spared...either for money or because not everybody really believed in the Bolshevik cause. At that time, the White Army still had a chance of stopping the communists. Someone could have been hedging his bets.
In fact, we know Alexei was probably spared his life on the day that his family was wiped out.
My family in St. Petersburg claims that Fyedor Korablyov had left St. Petersburg for the White Army controlled Kazakstan before the Bolsheviks started to kill everyone in the upper classes. Alexei arrived, behind the White Army and went to school for a year with Fyedor. But things got way too dangerous when the Bolsheviks actually destroyed the White Army to control all of Russia and Kazakstan.
What I have had an 85 year old tell me is that Alexei was lucky to become a monk in Siberia...where he died around 1960.
My problem with this is that wealth and freedom would have awaited him across the international borders. Why would Alexei have allowed himself to get caught behind enemy lines twice?
If I remember my history correctly, the White Russians were said to be approaching Ekaterinburg. This caused the hurry and the secrecy.
A group of us at the office were talking a few months ago about the high cost of keeping up Lenin's remains. I said that they ought to put his old stuffed corpse on a semi and carry it around and people could pay a couple of bucks to see him. I was the only one of the group who said that they would pay to see it, and everybody else seemed to think I was weird for suggesting it. But, hey, it worked for King Tut!
[Why would Alexei have allowed himself to get caught behind enemy lines twice?]
On the other hand, neither a California "pretender" nor the famous "Heiko" who also lived in the USA...ever made any claim to the considerable family fortune, much of which was in New York banks and also in Paris banks.
If Alexei escaped from the soon to be "Soviet Union", he would have been set up in New York or Paris with millions. Unless he would have feared for his life even in New York.
Anna Anderson, the now proven imposter, was never accepted by the Romanovs in Paris. They felt that she had no class and they were apparently right on that score as well.
[keeping up Lenin's remains.]
Putin wants to get rid of that old stuffed corpse. But the old people in Russia are still devout commies. The first and second generation of proletariat believed in communism.
This would be the equivalent of the leftist elements of our "Greatest Generation" who still love the New Deal.
On Sundays, they close Red Square and you get to see a long serpentine line of old fogie commies waiting more than an hour to slowly wind their way into that mausoleum to see the macabre corpse. I've done this with them.
Behind the mausoleum you see the honored graves of American traitors who escaped to the Soviet Union so Americans wouldn't kill them.
Specifically, Gorbachev just made a speech where he threatened there would be civil war in Russia if Putin were to try to move Lenin's body.
Meanwhile, our leftists still think Gorbachev won the Cold War and liberated everyone because he thought it was a great idea.
Any taxi driver in San Francisco will confirm that one.
That being said, don't jump to the bastardy of Queen Victoria quite so quickly.
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