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A Flawed and Disordered Document (VOTF on homosexual ban from priesthood)
Voice of the Faithful ^ | 11/29/05 | Rev. Thomas J. O’Brien, SJ

Posted on 12/12/2005 4:52:41 AM PST by Aquinasfan

From Rev. Thomas J. O’Brien, SJ – November 29, 2005

I am coming out as a gay, chaste Jesuit priest because it hurts too much not to. I deeply love the Church and the Jesuits. I have experienced unconditional love from Cardinal Maida in granting me permission to function as a priest in this Archdiocese. I have experienced unconditional love from my Jesuit brothers—especially those who know me well. I have experienced unconditional love from my friends and family.

Being a priest in the Society of Jesus has been a joy for me. I have found it to be life-giving and a vehicle through which I can love God and neighbor. I love the Catholic Church. It is only this issue that disturbs me profoundly and I feel moved by the Holy Spirit to speak out.

I understand that the document concerning seminary visitations is a response to the request of the American Bishops as they try to come to grips with the sex abuse scandal. However, I believe this document will do more harm than good in the long run, and, in fact, is a kind of smoke-screen to say that the official church has “done something.”

First and foremost, some officials of the Church need to apologize to the victims and all the Catholic faithful for this incredible breach of trust. I’ve not heard any apologies coming forth. Indeed, Cardinal Law of Boston was promoted to a major church in Rome.

The group that began in Boston, Voice of the Faithful, seeks to aid victims of sexual abuse by priests, brothers and sisters. The local group here in Detroit has found it very difficult to minister to these victims because they are, understandably, so full of rage at what officials of the Church have done to them. They need and deserve ministry, compensation and an official apology. Having been sexually abused myself by a young man who was a neighbor to me, I have some understanding of how their lives have been so disrupted.

The document “Concerning the criteria of vocational discernment regarding persons with homosexual tendencies in view of their admission to seminaries and ordination” from the Congregation for Catholic Education Instruction, will not help the victims or prevent further abuse. Rather, the document has almost equated pedophilia with being gay. Statistics on the number of gay priests is in dispute. However, it’s clear that the vast majority of gay priests live chaste lives. Pedophiles can be, and in fact have been, heterosexual as well as homosexual. And we know that most sexual abuse occurs in the home.

I find the document flawed in particular ways:

It requires three years of a chaste life by homosexuals applying to Catholic seminaries. It says nothing about requiring chastity from heterosexual applicants. The document invades the sacred privacy of the internal forum of spiritual direction. The same sacred confidentiality of the confessional has always been applied to spiritual direction. But the document now wants to insert a specific agenda into this privileged relationship between two people.

It reaffirms its judgment that homosexual tendencies are “objectively disordered.” Being homosexual “obstructs (them) from properly relating to men and women.” There is plentiful evidence that this is not true. Lesbian sisters and gay brothers and priests have, indeed, been models of relating to people—especially to the disenfranchised and excluded of society.

The document prohibits anyone from “support(ing) the so-called gay culture.” Does this mean that I cannot support civil rights for lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transgender people and transsexual individuals? Jesus taught us that God loves all people. Indeed in his ministry, Christ reached out to those excluded by the Jewish religious leaders of his day. Perhaps the most striking example of this can be found in the healing of the Roman Centurion’s daughter.

The document declares that it would be “gravely dishonest (for an applicant to a seminary) to hide his own homosexuality.” Given the consequences of revealing himself to be gay, what other choice would there be for someone who wants to be a priest and happens to be gay? This document re-affirms the teaching of the Church that simply being gay is “objectively disordered.” All Christians believe that, as Psalm 139 says, “God knit us together in our mothers’ wombs.” Many lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and transsexual individuals have experienced “being different” from other people at a very young age. The human struggle of coming to terms with their sexuality is common for both heterosexuals as well as homosexuals.

This document reveals a fundamentally disordered view of gender and sexual orientation. It forces many people to hide the fact that they are gay. This is popularly known as being “in the closet.” How many popes have been gay? How many cardinals and bishops have been gay? Since this is such an embarrassing topic to church officials, they simply don’t speak about it. Scholars such as Jeannine Gramick and Thomas Thurston have documented evidence of gay and lesbian church officials throughout history.

I understand with great compassion why gay priests and brothers and lesbian sisters stay “in the closet.” Acknowledging their sexual orientation could carry terrible consequences for such individuals. Those people of courage who have spoken about their sexual orientation have been silenced by church officials.

Thankfully, God is greater than any religion or any church. Thankfully, God’s love for all people is the foundation of Jesus’ teaching and ministry. And, thankfully, organizations such as Dignity have supported, encouraged and deepened the spiritual faith of thousands of people over the years by providing them with a safe place where they can worship as Catholics with others who are gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender and transsexual.

I love the Church. I ardently desire to continue ministry as a priest in the Society of Jesus and in the Archdiocese of Detroit.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: fakereligion; homosexualagenda; homosexualpriests; liars
Blah, blah, blah...

Just posting this in case anyone was wondering if VOTF was anything other than the Voice of the Heretics.

1 posted on 12/12/2005 4:52:43 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan

Sorry. I thought this thread was a VOTE on the subject.

Methinks it must be bedtime...


2 posted on 12/12/2005 4:56:31 AM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Aquinasfan

Why do they insist on coming out? That in and of itself supports the Vatican's stance.


3 posted on 12/12/2005 4:57:36 AM PST by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: Aquinasfan

What a surprise (ack!).


4 posted on 12/12/2005 4:57:44 AM PST by Tax-chick ("You don't HAVE to be a fat pervert to speak out about eating too much and lack of morals." ~ LG)
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To: jb6

told you about jesuits in America...


5 posted on 12/12/2005 4:57:48 AM PST by Mount Athos
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To: Aquinasfan

I know a number of "gay" Jesuits. I may even be related to one. I don't know. My difficulty is that those I know were good priests, wonderful men. Some still are. But in the last 20 or 30 years, they seem to have misplaced the concept of God first. We must pray for them.


6 posted on 12/12/2005 5:13:21 AM PST by MSSC6644
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To: Aquinasfan

Quit the priesthood, fagalah.


7 posted on 12/12/2005 5:16:26 AM PST by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: Aquinasfan
I am coming out as a gay, chaste [emphasis mine] Jesuit priest because it hurts too much not to.

There is no such thing as a “chaste gay” (meaning homosexual). By definition, the terms, gay or homosexual, are defined by behavior. Absent homosexual behavior, no one is a homosexual or so-called “gay.” By way of comparison, there is no such thing as a chaste rapist or a chaste pedophile (other terms defined by behavior).

This article is nothing more than a not-so-subtle attempt to control the debate by controlling language. By blurring the definitions, one side of the debate is attempting to control the debate. The sad part of this strategy is that it is working because so many people are lacking a real education in critical thinking (logic), rhetoric and grammar.

Unfortunately, until our society regains control of the educational institution, this type of argument will continue to be effective.
8 posted on 12/12/2005 5:20:20 AM PST by Lucky Dog
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To: Desdemona

Fascinating little soliloquy.

How the mighty have fallen. The Jesuits were for centuries the strong right (!) arm of the Church's theology and made sure that it a) stayed that way, and b) taught it to the upcoming generations.

When the individuals self identify as gay or any other orientation, then they indeed provide all the support - and more - required for justification of the Vatican stance. They, above all, are supposed to be celibate and chaste. Vows before God and all that.

When well over 80 percent of all sexual contact with minors are male on male, and the homosexual makeup of the general populace is about 5% or thereabouts, and the homosexual makeup of the priesthood is still much less than half, this is a problem and a connection that it doesn't take a Holmes to figure out. Even a Clouseau could.

The seminaries are starting to fill again; the young priests and seminarians are sounding more and more like priests from the early part of last century - and the 60s era hippie-dips and neo Marxist revolutionaries are aging and being replaced. I just say Thank You, Lord for JPII and Benedict.

It's the Church of Christ, not Lenin and Mao.


9 posted on 12/12/2005 5:24:36 AM PST by MarkBsnr (When you believe in nothing, then everything is acceptable.)
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To: little jeremiah

"You might be interested in this article" ping


10 posted on 12/12/2005 5:27:21 AM PST by indcons (indcons on Rush Limbaugh's show (transcript): http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1535861/posts)
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To: Aquinasfan

>>I am coming out as a gay, chaste Jesuit priest because

That's the problem this priest doesn't get. He shouldn't identify as being gay. The problem is he is identifying himself as being gay and a priest, instead of a priest who has homosexual struggles.

Is is no doubt that a priest who identifies himself as being gay will not be of help to those who struggle with it?


11 posted on 12/12/2005 5:39:37 AM PST by 1stFreedom (zx1)
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To: Lucky Dog
By way of comparison, there is no such thing as a chaste rapist or a chaste pedophile (other terms defined by behavior). This article is nothing more than a not-so-subtle attempt to control the debate by controlling language. By blurring the definitions, one side of the debate is attempting to control the debate.

Great analogy and an excellent point. They are masters of semantics, if nothing else. "Holiday Trees" are another example of this tactic.

12 posted on 12/12/2005 5:42:25 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: MarkBsnr
How the mighty have fallen. The Jesuits were for centuries the strong right (!) arm of the Church's theology

Do you think the Jesuits of yore knew that Christ was the head of the Church (the Body of Christ)?

Thankfully, God is greater than any religion or any church.

13 posted on 12/12/2005 5:45:02 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: indcons

thanks, I'll be starting back to pinging my lists gradually. This certainly is nauseating.


15 posted on 12/12/2005 6:26:09 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Aquinasfan

This man lost my respect when he opened by putting " gay " as his primary identity. First and foremost a priest should be a priest. Secondly guess what the paper addressed homosexuals in seminaries-that is why it did not address heterosexuals. Though its remarks on the duty of the priesthood applies to all priests.
VOTF are dissenters who very often skate on the thin ice of heresy.


16 posted on 12/12/2005 7:37:40 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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