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Religious zealots, arranged right to left
LA Times ^ | 12-11-05 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 12/11/2005 5:15:43 AM PST by SJackson

Liberals who want you to be liberal are moral, but Christians who want you to be Christian are bigots.

AMERICANS CONSTANTLY hear and read about the dangers emanating from the religious right. But what about the dangers from the religious left? Ever hear about those dangers? In fact, do you ever hear about a religious left at all?

Probably not. My Google search of "religious right" yielded 3,890,000 items. A search of "religious left" yielded 276,000. And that search included right-wing websites. My quick survey of a "mainstream," i.e. liberal, news medium revealed an even more lopsided result: New York Times' articles since 1981 mentioned the "religious right" 1,689 times and gave only 29 mentions to the "religious left."

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As far as the news media are concerned, there is no religious left, only the religious right and "mainstream" denominations — and, of course, the religious right is regularly described as bigoted, narrow-minded and intolerant, not to mention a threat to the separation of church and state.

Yet, within Christianity and Judaism, the left is very much alive, and in Judaism it is dominant. This leftism was made apparent last month in Houston at the biennial convention of the Union for Reform Judaism, the largest of Judaism's denominations.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: christianity; hypocrisy; judaism; mediabias; reformjudaism; religion; religiousleft; religiousright; tolerance
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1 posted on 12/11/2005 5:15:43 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson

Clarity - Dennis Prager.


2 posted on 12/11/2005 5:21:23 AM PST by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion it will give it to you.)
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To: SJackson

that is a really good article.


3 posted on 12/11/2005 5:31:35 AM PST by drhogan
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4 posted on 12/11/2005 5:35:17 AM PST by SJackson (There's no such thing as too late, that's why they invented death. Walter Matthau)
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To: SJackson

LA Times?!??

Its a surprise to see them allow such heresy to be printed in their paper.

Did I say heresy? But...that is anti-religious talk and since atheism is not a religion...err.. or is it?!??


5 posted on 12/11/2005 5:37:35 AM PST by Paloma_55 (Which part of "Common Sense" do you not understand???)
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To: SJackson

I guess it is comforting to know that even in leftist organizations like Reform Judaism and the more "progressive" Christian denominations, there are people who have not worshipped the Golden Calf. But one has to wonder why are they still there if the leftists have turned religion into smug political correctness and one is supposed to accept Marx as the Messiah?


6 posted on 12/11/2005 5:52:42 AM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: SJackson
"What we have here is left-wing projection: It is the left that believes that if you do not adhere to its values and politics, you cannot be a moral person. Howard Dean recently said that Democrats care if children go to bed hungry at night and Republicans don't."

And, I get told by liberal (ex)friends when I visit home that I am a bigot, though I respect but disagree with them.

The greatest projection is when an old high school friend called me a baby killer (I'm serious, I was shocked and angered, and later laughed at her stupidity) upon returning from my first tour in Iraq. This was around Christmas '03. She attended a Pro-Choice New Years rally a few days later. Who's the baby killer, huh.
7 posted on 12/11/2005 6:06:03 AM PST by raynearhood ("America is too great for small dreams." - Ronald Reagan, speech to Congress. January 1, 1984.)
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To: raynearhood
The greatest projection is when an old high school friend called me a baby killer (I'm serious, I was shocked and angered, and later laughed at her stupidity) upon returning from my first tour in Iraq.

That's sad. Sorry that you had to deal with that. I suppose this is how liberals support the troops, but not the war. Thank you for your service for our country and for freedom.

8 posted on 12/11/2005 6:36:07 AM PST by TN4Liberty (American... conservative... southern.... It doesn't get any better than this.)
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To: SJackson

He doesn't even mention all those lefties who want the courts to establish atheism as the official religion of the US.


9 posted on 12/11/2005 6:45:34 AM PST by schooter
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To: TN4Liberty
It's no big deal, now. At the time it sucked, she was one of my wife's closest friends in high school, and a friend of mine, too. We went to see her for Christmas, and then the comment. I stood up and told my wife it was time to go, my wife agreed.

The point, though, is the hypocrisy was amazing. Soldiers are "baby killers" and abortions are "a women's right" and "a health choice." I "hate black people" ( been accused of this, too) but, according to the left, a black man can't make it off his own hard work and intellect, he needs the government to ensure he can get a job. The list goes on and on.
10 posted on 12/11/2005 6:56:28 AM PST by raynearhood ("America is too great for small dreams." - Ronald Reagan, speech to Congress. January 1, 1984.)
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Thanks for your service, sergeant. There's still plenty of us who appreciate what you did and are grateful for it.


11 posted on 12/11/2005 7:08:59 AM PST by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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"atheism is not a religion...err.. or is it?!??"

Yeh. One judge told an aetheist his big holiday is April 1st. (The fool hath said in his heart there is no God).


12 posted on 12/11/2005 7:09:16 AM PST by RoadTest (As teens we know everything; by 90, if we're wise, we'll know nothing.)
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To: SJackson

One of the many MSM methods of bias is in redefining the middle. They seek to influence people who are afraid of taking a side and will always seek the middle, to vote socialist.


13 posted on 12/11/2005 7:13:17 AM PST by SampleMan
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To: SJackson

Having exchanged e-mails with Prager in the past, I know him to be an excellent writer and thinker. The state of Reformed Judaism (and way too many Jews in New England)is such that they will fight for their leftist, anti-Bush, pro-Palistinean beliefs til the last Jew in Israel is dead. I've heard some of these people and their willingness to sacrifice Israelis while they bash Christians, conservatives, and President Bush et al is so passionate, aggressive, and irrational that it borders on a pathology.


14 posted on 12/11/2005 8:23:05 AM PST by NHResident (i)
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The state of Reformed Judaism...

Not all of them. Though I believe he established a modern Orthodox Synagogue in southern California, along with Michael Medved, I've noted lately he's been noting his longstanding involvement with the Reform movement.

15 posted on 12/11/2005 8:39:55 AM PST by SJackson (There's no such thing as too late, that's why they invented death. Walter Matthau)
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To: SJackson

...or, at least with a Reform synagogue.


16 posted on 12/11/2005 11:23:41 AM PST by onedoug
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To: SJackson
History will record that a month after the Islamic Republic of Iran called for the annihilation of the Jewish state, 5,000 Reform Jews passed resolutions calling for District of Columbia voting rights and "workers' rights" but none about a call for what would amount to another Holocaust or about Islamic anti-Semitism generally, the greatest eruption of Jew-hatred since Nazism. History will likewise also note that two years after the United States made war on a bloodthirsty tyrant who paid the families of murderers of Jews $25,000 each, Reform Judaism passed a resolution condemning that war.

A very good point. Many people and I'm sure the MSM of the time tried to ignore Hitler's racist ravings in the 1920s and 1930s. We ignore the Iranian President's ravings at our peril. And what Dennis Prager said about the Reform Jewish groups could similarly be applied to the liberal hijacking of most of the "Mainstream" Protestant denominations.

17 posted on 12/11/2005 12:08:57 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: SampleMan
One of the many MSM methods of bias is in redefining the middle. They seek to influence people who are afraid of taking a side and will always seek the middle, to vote socialist.

Exactly. However, and even though the bias remains infuriating, this tactic has backfired, and I believe contributed to the political dominance of conservatism and the emergence of the Republican as a majority party.

Moderates and independents dislike and fear extremism, whether left or right. The double standard upheld by the MSM and the intelligentsia (that marginalizing right-wing extremists is mandatory and laudable; whereas marginalizing left-wing extremists, or even identifying them as such, is evil, McCarthyesque "red-baiting") provided movement conservatives, during the sixties and following, with useful social support in expelling nut-cases like John Birchers, anti-Semites, racists and etc from the movement.

At the same time genuinely mainstream liberals and Democrats were fatally undermined in their efforts (which in fairness most had pursued with vigor in the 40's, 50's and early 60's) to marginalize or expel the wing-nuts on their end of the political spectrum. The result has been the mainstreaming of left-extremism, and that result has become progressively more difficult for the MSM, try as they might, and try as they certainly do, to obscure.

Ordinary people who aren't necessarily committed to one side or the other, now can't help but notice the difference between the significant influence of extremists on the left versus their effective marginalization on the right. Given that all other things are even approximately equal, a moderate or independent will tend to vote for the party that seems to have it's wing-nuts more effectively controlled.

The assistance, and cover, the MSM has provided the left for decades now has ended up saddling Democrats with a serious deficit the in the crucial electoral competition for the political middle. What's more this is more-or-less permanent, absent either fundamental grassroots reform of the party, or some long term societal evolution.

18 posted on 12/11/2005 12:46:11 PM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: SJackson

Prager-fan bump!


19 posted on 12/11/2005 12:49:56 PM PST by VOA
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To: SJackson
There was a "Curch of the Touch" in LA in the 70's headed by Rev. Cheryl Miller. Not a conservative or traditional group.
20 posted on 12/11/2005 10:29:16 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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