Posted on 12/04/2005 2:11:59 AM PST by Gordongekko909
Street fighting......I like it!
Only way to go. Return fire.
BTW, I have served so I am entitled to speak on this topic EVEN if any Freepers thinks the "chickenhawk" argument has merit. ;->
Some of the articles I've read seem to be also making a double entendre with the sexual meaning of "chickenhawk."
Thank you for serving our country.
I so don't want to know.
Or you could simply say, "So by your standard Cindy Sheehan has no credibiliity?"
Ooh, good one. Make that option "C" under the follow-up attacks.
What's funny about that, though, is that if you break the polling data down by gender, guys favor abortion more heavily than women do. Talk about not seeing the big picture.
My brother and sister are both extremely anti-Iraq war, and in the past have seemed to live to bombard me with their predictions of doom.
This past Thanksgiving, I waited patiently for the onslaught I knew would come. This time I had prepared. The inevitable attack came with the snide opener ..."Well, what do you think of the Iraq war NOOOWWWW"?...Huh?...Huh...?
I replied that I thought the war was already won...by our side.
Mockingly grinning from ear to ear, in unison, they pounced. "Oh really?"
"Yes, the outcome is now inevitable, you have chosen the wrong side to root for. The insurgency has now been reduced to having to send 10 year olds, the retarded, and recently in the Amman bombings we see the use of valued lieutenants sent to die for the cause. This indicates to me their recruiting is headed in the wrong direction."
"Is that all you've got?"
"No. The withdrawal you are calling for will soon happen, and it will leave the insurgency with the now-proven losing tactic of having to kill fellow Muslims and Arabs in order to succeed. Incidentally, can you name one strategic victory the jihad can claim in Iraq?"
They could not name one. I proceeded to itemize the failures of the jihad....failure to seed civil war, failure to stop the election of an interim government, failure to stop the vote on the constitution, failure to derail Bush's timetable for each election, failure to expel the infidel..."they have succeeded however, in achieving ONE of their goals....can either of you tell me what that is?
Silence.
"They have succeeded in HARDENING THE HEARTS of people like you...they have succeeded in getting you to embrace their cause of preventing the liberation of 27 million from unspeakable tyranny."
I'm not so smart. What had occurred here is I had been passive on previous occasions with their sniping at the war, and I had boned up on this forum prior to going home for Thanksgiving. I got most of the above from astute Freepers on this forum. The key to the whole thing is to position yourself for the coup-de-grace, calling a lefty hard-hearted really hits them at their core.
Anyway, this is the first time I feel I have won the argument, as they could not refute anything I said.
Welcome Home. Thank you for serving.
This argument while good misses the key philosophical point - is the left suggesting that public officials should make national policy decisions based on their own family's self-interest? Are they suggesting that Bush's decision to go to war would (or should) be different depending on whether or not his daughters would see combat? If Bush made economic policy decisions based primarily on whether or not it would enrich his children, that would rightfully be called corruption. Same thing applies here - it should be irrelevant whether or not Bush's daughters are in the military.
I don't hear many "Republicans" telling it like it is. For crying out loud Lieberman, a socialist Democrat, has caused more of a media stir than most, if not all, the weak kneed "Republicans".
The fact is that the leadership is just not leading on this, and one, or two citizens railing for his bretheren to stand up and be counted isn't going to cut it.
That is not to say I do not applaud your efforts and good intentions.
Someone's history has no relevence to the correctness of their beliefs, anymore than the fact that Michael Moore is fat, goofy-looking, and dresses funny has any bearing on the validity of his arguments.
There is one other response to to the charge of "chickenhawk" but you have to MEAN it: Just say 'Are YOU calling me a COWARD?" If the answer involves any words other than 'yes' or 'no'interrupt and ask again and KEEP asking untill you get an answer or he backs down--but as I said you HAVE to MEAN it.
I have no trouble in this respect because I AM offended when I am pointed to and called a coward, both by the filthy sneaking cowardice in the tactic as well as the slur.
So the response is not to defend avoiding military service but to launch into personal attacks of your own? Good plan.
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