Posted on 11/04/2005 10:58:43 PM PST by demlosers
Muslims 'scorn' Europe's ways,'conspire to take it over'
As rioting that began in a poor, mostly Muslim, neighborhood near Paris a week ago continues to spread to other suburbs and cities across France and parts of Europe, U.S. experts and at least one American lawmaker believe radical Islam is most likely responsible for the chaos.
And, they say, despite the characterization by several media outlets that those perpetuating the violence are primarily disaffected youth upset with French economic and social policies, the fact the unrest spread so quickly and is virtually limited to Muslim neighborhoods signifies a deeper, ideologically driven motive.
U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., in an interview with WND, said he believes the chickens are coming home to roost in France because, for years, the country with the largest Islamic population in Europe has ignored rising Muslim tensions within its own borders. The real issue the French "are now dealing with," he said, "is [that] you cannot integrate some people into your society."
Daniel Pipes, an expert on Islam and the director of the Middle East Forum, a think tank promoting American ideals in that region, thinks the riots in France are a microcosm of the larger radical Islamic goal of gaining a solid foothold in Europe.
"The great majority of Muslims in Europe see themselves as bearers of a superior civilization and see themselves growing prodigiously," he told WND. "Through a cultural, religious and demographic confidence they feel scorn towards European ways and conspire to take it over."
Lee Kaplan, spokesman for United American Committee, an organization striving to educate more Americans to the threat of radical Islam, suggested France's quest to be "evenhanded" in its dealings with its massive Muslim immigration has backfired and now reached a point where Paris has little choice but to meet the problem head-on. In an interview with WND, he suggested that "with 5 million Muslims in France – the most in all of Europe," this week's chaos was inevitable.
Origin of unrest
According to earlier reports, the rioting – which has seen the destruction of hundreds of vehicles, public buses and buildings – began Oct. 27 after the accidental deaths of two Muslim teens. Both boys were electrocuted while hiding from police in an electrical power substation in the Paris suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois. Reports said police were in the area checking identification papers when the two boys ran away from them.
By week's end, riot police and firefighters were battling scores of Muslim rioters, some armed with weapons and Molotov cocktails. A police union official likened the violence to "civil war" in calling for the government to impose a strict curfew as French leaders vowed to restore order in the worst crisis of domestic violence in the country in decades.
As rioting exploded in France, Muslim-influenced unrest also began in Denmark, fueling further speculation that Europe is increasingly under siege by Islamic extremism. In the Danish rioting, Kaplan said, Muslim immigrant youths have even taunted authorities, saying, "This territory belongs to Islam; you don't belong here."
Much of the chaos, analysts said, is tied to the lack of Muslim integration into European society – whether by design or by choice. In France and Denmark alike, many cities dominated by Islamic faithful have been deemed too dangerous for police and are, effectively, "no-go zones."
"The riots typify French reaction to Islamism and spring from a European approach to the Islamic wave of migration into Europe," according to Islam analyst Robert Spencer.
Writing in FrontPage magazine, Spencer explained, "After WWII, the French built so-called 'sink estates' for the workers they encouraged to emigrate to help rebuild the nation, as did Germany."
Most of these workers came from Turkey and colonies in North Africa.
"Instead of planning for their integration into society, however, the French allowed these communities to grow and fester in economic and social isolation," Spencer said. "After two generations, the sink estates have proven to be nothing more than preplanned ghettoes, and the workers have no future except as second-class citizens of the nations they helped rebuild from devastation."
Tancredo believes many Muslims don't want to become "European." And he says the French and Danish riots are part of a larger militant Islamic movement perpetually at odds with the West.
The French "really don't want to integrate and assimilate, I think, the Muslims into French society, but I also think the Muslims are not interested in doing that themselves," he said. "This division, this rampaging nature manifesting itself in these riots and everything else, is an example of the clash of civilizations" he believes threatens Europe and the United States.
I've noticed, too, that the MSM seems to be strangely quiet on the riots. I even lowered my standards enough to watch CNN for a while this afternoon, they seemed to be actively avoiding coverage.
Like we are supposed to be surprised. NOT!
Dass Stimmt. There is still a matter of fear and respect with regards to Germanic people. The atrocities that were committed are inexcusable. Yet the cat is out of the bag. All modern societies now have the knowledge of efficient means for the extermination of fellow men. As well as the propaganda methods to effectively assuage any "guilt" amongst the masses. I have no doubt that Europe will have another spasm. Nor do I dwell under a misinformed concept that the German people are pacified to the point of self destruction. I do believe that America should sit this one out until it is to our distinct advantage.
I agree, sit this one out, and that is what the WH has said.
If they try it here, 80,000,000 gun owners will quash it. Unless they try it in NY or Kalifornia.
deportation, at gunpoint where needed, seems adviseable
Tony Snow sat in for O'Reilly tonite. He had a guy named Steve Purl who was a former member of the Scotland Yard Special Ops.
Not only did Purl say it was Muslims, he said the Paris unrest is highly coordinated by terrorist ringleaders, and someone needs to go in and take them out before it will stop.
He also said that France's inability to deal with them is due to the fact they are a highly liberal, socialist society.
""This territory belongs to Islam; you don't belong here."
They're saying this in the land of the "Vikings"? Yes this is going to be very interesting to watch. We invite you to come here and you declare the land yours? It may be all that is needed to bring out the fighting spirit of the Norse folk.
Europe, with its historic treasures, will eventually be taken over if they don't wise up. I live in PA and see women shopping here in small town America with the headscarves. Plus, there's a huge new mosque they recently built.
They don't even need to claim that. The Koran decrees that the entire world must be converted to Islam and those who refuse to convert must be slaughtered.
I agree wholeheartedly and I've mentioned as much on other threads. Europeans know how to shed blood. They've done it better than any other group of people. They also have a huge capacity for tolerance. They'll let this proceed to a certain tipping point (much greater than we'd let it go on here) and then explode with violence and ferocity and the pendulum will swing the other direction. In the end Europeans will reclaim Europe. History has shown us as much.
Those immigrants at least are mostly Christian and civilized and want to only improve their lives, on our dime I must add, which is alot more I can say for the European immigrant problems who only want to conquer and subjugate for their moon god
Look north to our Canadian neighbor for the coming Muslims hordes
It is not a question of "if", but "when", French streets will again run with blood.
oh, I have no quarrel with you at all. I hear what you are saying and I think I didn't get my point across very well.
My point is, that border is so porous, that the Islamic terrorists can pay people to cross it and even come across themselves, and it's only a few short hours from where I live. I was talking more about being diligent than I was to the quality of the people. I still believe that all immigrants should come to this country in a legal fashion. However, we (the USA) do a very poor job protecting our property down south.
Dang, this sounds exactly like what some of the radical Mexicans are saying and telling us here in the southwest...
And getting worse by the day.
Sure, it's pure invention.
But that's how the moslems justify taking over land all over the world. They rewrite the history so that there were moslems who found it before anyone else, then it's -- ta-da -- moslem land -- they own it and everyone has to knuckle under.
Couldn't be made up. We all know moslems don't lie.
Except for that little trick called "taqiyyah"...
And, gang bangers don't behead people because they have no historic or pseudo-religion based excuse for it - but capping someone is no less a ritual to them.
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