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This is the best material I ever read on this subject! Devolution, indeed!
1 posted on 11/02/2005 4:20:17 AM PST by gr8eman
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The lucky children are the ones who grow up with their original issue mother AND father. I'm divorced and remarried so I have the "yours, mine, and ours" family. We do our best given the situation but from the children's perspective, having just one mother and father has advantages.

I hate to see man-haters bringing up children alone even if they don't have boys.


2 posted on 11/02/2005 4:37:03 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (Where is our Charles Martel? Who will be our hammer against Islam?)
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Excellent article.

Is it possible to raise boys without men? Sure. Is it right? You may find your answer by imagining a male-authored book titled: "Raising Girls Without Women."

Research indicates that boys and girls raised by single fathers are more successful than boys or girls raised by single mothers.

3 posted on 11/02/2005 4:37:48 AM PST by Tax-chick (I'm not being paid enough to worry about all this stuff ... so I don't.)
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a generation of women who felt enslaved by homemaking and childbearing.

Much in here to comment on, but this phrase particularly rang home. The fact is, there is nothing "enslaving" about being a homemaker and/or mother. Ask those who have done it well, and you'll hear tales of ultimate fulfillment and wonders that defy belief. However, because a few man-hating social re-engineers decided that those roles were too constrained for THEIR unique needs, they projected their own inadequacies onto an entire generation of women, and consequently onto the entire culture. In the heady days of social upheaval that followed the Baby Boom, destruction of gender roles fit right in, and the baby went out with the bathwater.

Now, much of the world is realizing the arrogance of those idealistic illusions, and rejecting them -- too late, in many cases -- as the soul-stealing denials they are ... and always were.

Pity Maureen Dowd. She bought the lie, and she's STILL trying to make it work.

4 posted on 11/02/2005 4:45:23 AM PST by IronJack
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Dowd, herself unmarried and childless, wonders whether being smart and successful explains her status.

I know a smart, successful and very attractive woman that has time to make movies and commercials, have a child and has a very happy family, married to a great guy too!

5 posted on 11/02/2005 4:48:35 AM PST by TexasCajun
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Yep. That's a lot of men like me are still single. What's the upside to marriage if you get divorced in five years and find yourself paying child support for a kid you will never see for the rest of your life? Its a lousy deal and for men a series of casual relationships is the less riskier road to satisfaction. No kids, no mess, no financial drain and when the woman decides she's had enough of the man, he can move on without the headache of a divorce. Women want men but they're not sure they want to commit to marrying a real man. When they do, they can give us a call. We've been right here all along.

("Denny Crane: Gun Control? For Communists. She's a liberal. Can't hunt.")

6 posted on 11/02/2005 4:48:57 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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"More likely they've turned away because the feminist movement that encouraged women to be smart and successful also encouraged them to be hostile and demeaning to men."

My ex-girlfriend was exactly like this. Smart, successful, nasty, untruthful, backhanded, manipulative, awful.

Dowdie needs to get with the program. There's nothing at all attractive about her and her emancipated ilk.

7 posted on 11/02/2005 4:53:52 AM PST by Reactionary
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women end up bitter and alone when they fall for the feminist line. they become man-haters, and no decent guy will touch them. so they fall back upon the louses, who reinforce their beleifs in men-are-evil.

so they wind up alone, prey for the lesbian crowd, and miserable. and they can't figure out why.

as for the successful women scaring men off part? that's pure conjecture on their part - and baloney at that. I know of no man who doesn't appreciate competence in women - at least no decent man.

you see a lot more successful men married to women below their position that you see successful women married to men below THEIR position.

MoDo is her own worst enemy - and feminism the worst thing to happen to womanhood.


8 posted on 11/02/2005 4:55:20 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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"...a generation of women who felt enslaved by homemaking and childbearing."

I left the office world 6 years ago, still in the booming economy days when you could cut all kinds of reduced hours/work from home deals with your boss, and the number of women who were taking advantage of that situation was staggering. This caused a lot of tension in the office, because no man would ever dream of asking for such a deal. There was a little office spat one day on this subject -- two women telling the guys that it wasn't true about women wanting to be home, and that guys do it just as much. The spat ended VERY quickly when the 2 chicks were challenged to name even one man who had even ASKED for a reduced work week. In a Big Six accounting firm with 1000s and 1000s of workers in downtown DC, nobody could even think of one. Then Time Magazine had a cover story about tension in the workplace between WORKERS WHO HAD CHILDREN AT HOME and the deals they got vs. workers who did not. The filthy, gutless, scum-sucking, sub-human pieces of liberal crap NEVER EVER mentioned that it wasn't WORKERS with kids, it was WOMEN with kids who got the sweet deals.


11 posted on 11/02/2005 4:57:30 AM PST by RayStacy
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a rat is a dog is a pig is a feminist (with profound apologies to rats, dogs and pigs)...


13 posted on 11/02/2005 5:06:02 AM PST by martin gibson (I know not what course others may take, but as for myself, give me Ralph Stanley or give me death!!!)
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More likely they've turned away because the feminist movement that encouraged women to be smart and successful also encouraged them to be hostile and demeaning to men

DING DING DING! Direct hit!

17 posted on 11/02/2005 5:22:20 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Let's tear down the observatory so we never get hit by a meteor again!)
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Dowd is a kook with MSM tenure. She is irrelevant and only serves as a place to direct pity on a pathetic self inflicted waste of a life.


18 posted on 11/02/2005 5:26:21 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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"Devolution"?

Now there's a blast from the past:

http://www.clubdevo.com/

19 posted on 11/02/2005 5:32:04 AM PST by OKSooner
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Good article and lots of good comments, but we are looking at the symptom, not the disease. The original feminists were socialists laying the ground work for communism. Their goal was to divide and confuse American society. Same with the race baiters and poverty pimps. The drive to eliminate God is also part of the whole movement to fragment and set groups of our society against other groups.

It is an old ploy but they still use it and it still works, for awhile. If we don't recognize the enemy for what it is, the enemy, they soon won't have to deceive. They will control.
23 posted on 11/02/2005 5:57:12 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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GAWD, I read this article and see that Dowdy Dowd is pontificating on her own looks, charm and intelligence, and how bewildered she is that Michael Douglas dropped her for Catherine Zeta-Jones. MoDo is simply having sour grapes.

Semper Hurl

30 posted on 11/02/2005 6:36:43 AM PST by Trident/Delta (Chaos, Panic and Disorder.....My work here is done!)
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When "brilliant' hertosexual women fell for the lesbian driven women's movement forty or so years ago it might arguably be said that a few points could be deducted from their IQs.


32 posted on 11/02/2005 6:55:56 AM PST by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU (Democrats unglued), I trust this post will make you sick.)
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Deep down, I've found that most women want to be full time moms at home with the kids if they can.

Admittedly I live in an area that is very socially conservative and we have a lot of stay at home moms. My mom-in-law is a stay at home mom. She works the first couple hours to get her chores done and has the rest of the day to herself. Likewise I know lots of stay at home moms who run about the same schedule. Why would anyone in their right mind want to give that up to go into the office and fight the jerks out there?

34 posted on 11/02/2005 7:50:42 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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But something vital and poignant happens when one's own interests become secondary to the more compelling needs of children.

You grow up. In the process of sacrificing your infant-self for the real baby, you stop obsessing and fixating on the looking glass. Instead, you focus your energies on trying to raise healthy boys and girls to become smart, successful men and women.


38 posted on 11/02/2005 10:58:21 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Memos on Bush Are Fake but Accurate". NYTimes)
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Outstanding read, and funny, I thought I'd coined Devolution last night...

However, if anyone ever calls me a metrosexual or similar for feeding and diapering my daughter..I'll kick their deadbeat A**


40 posted on 11/02/2005 1:03:23 PM PST by Dead Dog
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