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1 posted on 10/27/2005 1:35:50 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay

On January 19, 2009............


2 posted on 10/27/2005 1:37:54 PM PDT by Red Badger (I've eaten so much crow in my life that I'm immune to bird flu.........)
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To: fight_truth_decay
YES. My thoughts exactly. The Constitution gives him the power without reservation. HE SHOULD USE THE POWER OF THE PARDON.
3 posted on 10/27/2005 1:38:06 PM PDT by Rapscallion (It goes far deeper than contempt of Congress. The 9/11 Commission is a whitewash.)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Get Klinton to issue the pardons. He is an expert at it.


4 posted on 10/27/2005 1:38:12 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (Socialist Dems, the MSM and Islamic murderers, ALL threats to the Republic!)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Can the President use his pardon for anyone regardless of the charges? Does he have to wait until the jury verdict? This might be the only way to stop this criminalizing of political activities.


5 posted on 10/27/2005 1:40:37 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Usually you have to be convicted before receiving a pardon but I think Clinton changed the rules with his pardon of Marc Rich. Why not use it then - If it's needed.


7 posted on 10/27/2005 1:42:14 PM PDT by TCats
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To: fight_truth_decay

I can't see why he'd go out of his way to pardon anyone for this. They are likely to be acquitted, even if charged, and if not, I can't imagine that they'd receive any signficant sanction. This is a very weak case, from what we know.


8 posted on 10/27/2005 1:42:22 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: fight_truth_decay

It would be a brilliant and breath-taking display of power. If he could speak well, he could rally public support and win it hands-down.


17 posted on 10/27/2005 1:49:45 PM PDT by Rapscallion (It goes far deeper than contempt of Congress. The 9/11 Commission is a whitewash.)
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To: fight_truth_decay

What would be really crazy is if Joe Wilson gets indicted and W pardons him out of mercy!


19 posted on 10/27/2005 1:52:48 PM PDT by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Lawrence Walsh was a partisan who indicted Weinberger and others just before the election hoping to cause Bush maximum damage in the 1992 election. He later showed his loyalties during the Clinton scandals.

A President can issue a pardon even before an indictment, as Jerry Ford did to Nixon in Sept. 1974, a month after Nixon left the White House.

21 posted on 10/27/2005 1:53:28 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: bray

ping


23 posted on 10/27/2005 1:56:19 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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There are not going to be any indictments, period.

Pray for W and Our Troops

25 posted on 10/27/2005 1:59:01 PM PDT by bray (Iraq, freed from Saddamn now Pray for Freedom from Mohammad)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Certainly he could, if the eventuality arises. We don't know if there will be any indictments.

The DNC and the MSM would use it to lambaste him for the next twenty years. But they might have a bit of trouble doing it, after giving clinton a pass on his notably sleazy and profitable pardons.


29 posted on 10/27/2005 2:15:51 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Bush shouldn't and won't use the pardon power, at least not until after a trial and all appeals have been persued. Acceptance of a pardon is an acknowledgement of guilt. Why should Rove or Libby accept a pardon if they are innocent. Hell at this point they've not even been indicted.

Additionally, until someone comes to kart Rove or Libby off to jail there is no advantage to a pardon (other than possibly negating the need to continue to pay legal fees). Neither will be allowed to resume their duties in the White House and they would still be liable to a civil suit should the Wilsons attempt to persue one. Fact of pardon (which implies guilt) would make it easier to win civil suit. So as much as it pleases the author to stick in the libs face by pardoning Rove or Libby, there really isnt any advantage to anyone unless they are convicted and their convictions are not overturned by appellate courts.

30 posted on 10/27/2005 2:17:57 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: fight_truth_decay

He doesn't run again. Pardon 'em all, send Fitzy back where he came from, transfer all the CIA idiots to the Dept of Education or Agriculture, and rock on.


33 posted on 10/27/2005 2:24:32 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: fight_truth_decay

It would certainly hurt his ability to win an election to a third term as President.


38 posted on 10/27/2005 2:41:33 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: fight_truth_decay
Well, there're also the wishes of anyone who IS indicted to be considered.

Would (for example) Rep. DeLay want a pardon right now? Doubt it; he'd rather rub Ronnie Earle's face in it.

Any others might feel the same way - post-conviction is soon enough.
40 posted on 10/27/2005 2:48:47 PM PDT by decal (Mother Nature and Real Life are conservatives; the Progs have never figured this out.)
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To: fight_truth_decay

I think Libby will be indicted for witness tampering, because of the letter he sent to Miller which sounded like he was coaching her on what to say.

If there was anything he would be indicted for, I think that would be it -- because if true it would make the prosecuter mad.

If he is indicted for that, I don't think the President should pardon him.

If he is indicted for perjury, that that perjury is because of multiple appearances before the grand jury which he did only because the president ordered it, he should be fired and pardoned.

That way the president can say he has gotten rid of people who had any possibility of being linked, but that his people won't face prosecution for testifying -- since it was Bush that essentially ordered them to testify.

After all, if it wasn't for everybody trying to cooperate because they were in the White house, none of these people would have testified, nobody would have released the journalists from their confidentiality, and nobody would get charged with perjury.


46 posted on 10/27/2005 4:05:51 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: fight_truth_decay

Yes, but he will not because he is an Honorable man unlike Bill Pure Scum Clinton. He should though.


50 posted on 10/27/2005 7:17:29 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (I'll try to be NICER, if you will try to be SMARTER!.......Water Buckets UP!)
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The number of prosecutors who have indicted members of sitting presidential administrations and gone on to the top post at the FBI is exactly zero.

.....Asked about the notion of becoming FBI director after Robert Mueller, another prosecutor who quit private practice to put bad guys behind bars, he laughs. 'That's probably Director Mueller when he's having a bad day, trying to unload it on somebody else.' He did not say he was uninterested...

51 posted on 10/27/2005 9:49:38 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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