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Mammoth site hearing set
Waco Tribune-Herald ^ | October 26, 2005 | J.B. Smith

Posted on 10/26/2005 6:11:43 PM PDT by ValerieUSA

The public will get a chance tomorrow to weigh in on a proposal to add the Waco Mammoth Site to the national park system.

A team of National Park Service officials is kicking off its study of the mammoth park idea with a public hearing at 6:30 p.m. Thursday at Baylor University's Mayborn Museum. Officials with Baylor and the city of Waco are trying to rally community support for the project.

“It's important for us to have a good turnout,” said Mayborn director Ellie Caston. “We need to be able to show the team that the community is concerned about the mammoth site and its future and really wants to be able to go there.”

Since the site along the Bosque River was discovered in 1978, the remains of 24 mammoths have been uncovered. The entire herd of mammoths was believed to have been buried in a mudslide more than 65,000 years ago, making it the world's largest known concentration of mammoths to die from a single event.

Baylor and the city of Waco have secured more than 100 acres around the site, but it remains off-limits to the public. U.S. Rep. Chet Edwards, D-Waco, supports turning the site into an educational tourist attraction and won support for the national park study three years ago. However, funding for the study has been slow in coming.

Caston said the National Park Service team will consider three factors in studying whether to adopt the site into the national system: significance, suitability and feasibility. The team will make that determination in the coming spring.

She said it's too early to tell how soon the park could be dedicated, how much it would cost, or how much financial support it would need from local participants.

“I hate to speculate,” she said. “If we say it will be in 10 years, then everybody throws up their hands and say that's too long. But it doesn't mean we can't proceed toward making the site successful.”

Regardless of the federal decision, the site could be made accessible to the public on a limited basis, she said.

“Obviously it would be fabulous to have a national park in Waco, but I don't think all our success hinges on that,” she said. “I think something good is going to happen. Everything we do is going to matter.”

City Manager Larry Groth said the city has put off previous “grandiose” proposals for developing the site until the parks service makes a decision. He said the city's priority in the meantime is to protect the site from the elements.

The city of Waco is planning to apply soon for federal funding to build a metal structure to protect the bones, which are now sheltered by a tent. The structure would cost $100,000 to $200,000, funded half by the city and half by federal funds that Edwards has secured.

Groth said the structure could be removed later if the National Park Service takes over the site.

He said the community support for the project is crucial in getting it added to the National Park Service system. “They need to see what kind of interest level there is in the community,” he said.

If the site becomes part of the federal system, Groth said it's likely that the city, Baylor and community groups would partner with the National Park Service in developing and managing it.

“Like everyone else, they're fighting budget problems,” he said. “They're looking for partnerships.”


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: archaeology; baylor; bosque; dig; godsgravesglyphs; history; park; waco
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David Lintz, a veteran employee of the old Strecker Museum at Baylor University, shows Teen Leadership Waco members the Waco Mammoth Site. Lintz initiated the first archaeological dig at the site in 1978.

1 posted on 10/26/2005 6:11:43 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

65 mammoths ping


2 posted on 10/26/2005 6:12:29 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: LA Woman3

* ping *


3 posted on 10/26/2005 6:12:54 PM PDT by caryatid (All good things which exist are the fruits of originality. [John Stuart Mill])
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To: ValerieUSA
"The entire herd of mammoths was believed to have been buried in a mudslide more than 65,000 years ago."

Quite a mudslide. Wonder what caused it?

4 posted on 10/26/2005 6:31:39 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

http://www.centerfirstamericans.com/mt.html?a=132
Waco Site Reveals 21 Mammoths
Died Together 28,000 Years Ago - p. 16
by Don Alan Hall
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The mammoths presumably died in flood and bank cave-in as the result of herd instinct as individuals followed the matriarch and attempted to rescue floundering juveniles (Mammoth Trumpet 4:3 "The Waco Mammoth Site"). There is no indication of human interaction with the bones. "Not even a scratch mark," Smith said in a recent telephone interview. Most of the bones remained exactly where the mammoths died. "They're articulated extremely well," Smith added. There are not even any gnaw marks indicating scavenging by predators. "It is absolutely the cleanest site I ever saw." Early in the investigation of the site, Gary Haynes, University of Nevada taphonomist, said the mammoths had been covered very rapidly and a decade of continuing research has revealed no evidence to the contrary.

Among the first discoveries at Waco was an adult female with its 6-foot-long tusks beneath the chest and belly of a baby animal. Presumably she had been trying to save it before both became trapped in water and mud. The other mammoths died in close proximity.

Smith says that animals 17 and 18, initially located in 1992, presented the project's greatest challenge. These were found when investigators were excavating to get a north-south profile of the site. They lay immediately north of where that other female and baby had been removed. The concentration of mammoth bones proved to be those of a large bull, the first uncovered at the site, and a fairly large juvenile. It was another case of an adult evidently attempting to rescue a young mammoth in trouble.

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5 posted on 10/26/2005 6:36:49 PM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

Oops, 24 mammoths from 65,000 years ago, not 65 mammoths.

Here's a link to more info
http://www3.baylor.edu/Museum_Studies/mammoth.htm


6 posted on 10/26/2005 6:39:20 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: MEG33

The Waco Tribune article says they were buried 65,000 years ago. Your article says it was 28,000 yrs ago, as does the link I just posted above.


7 posted on 10/26/2005 6:42:26 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA

http://www.washtimes.com/culture/20040104-105441-2052r.htm
Found this,too..I want to visit the Mayborn Museum..

http://www.countryworldnews.com/Editorial/CTX/2005/ct0421museum.htm


8 posted on 10/26/2005 6:42:30 PM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: ValerieUSA

So does the WaPo link I posted..
"The city of Waco and Baylor University want to preserve the resting ground of a herd of prehistoric mammoths thought to have died in a mudslide about 28,000 years ago."


9 posted on 10/26/2005 6:47:30 PM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: MEG33

and here ...
http://hutchison.senate.gov/cchistoric.htm

It's always good to cross-reference :)


10 posted on 10/26/2005 6:49:38 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA

Good find..I have been googling like crazy..

I remember when I first moved back to Texas and saw this in the news.. how interesting I found it..I recalled my childhood viewing of dinosaur tracks in a limestone bed of a creek or river during summer camp around Glen Rose.


11 posted on 10/26/2005 6:53:08 PM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: ValerieUSA

Thank you for posting this article..It was nice to take a break from politics!


12 posted on 10/26/2005 6:59:23 PM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: ValerieUSA

I'll see those 24, and raise 28 more. (The 104th tusks were found this season, making at least 52 mammoths.)

http://www.mammothsite.com/

Sinkhole trump(et)s landslide.


13 posted on 10/26/2005 7:07:56 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Mohamophages of the world, unite!)
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To: ApplegateRanch
Aha! More mammoths, yes, but not all killed instantly together during one event:

The watering hole, active for about 350-700 years, slowly filled with layers of drying silt, sediments, and dying mammoths. The mud, which had aided in trapping the mammoths, now entombed and preserved the mammoth remains.

14 posted on 10/26/2005 7:30:50 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: MEG33

I've been to that river at Glen Rose, too. It's cool to put your feet right into a dinosaur footprint in rock under the water's surface.


15 posted on 10/26/2005 7:32:26 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA

http://paleo.cc/paluxy/dvsp.htm
Dinosaur Valley State Park
Glen Rose, Texas


16 posted on 10/26/2005 8:01:19 PM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: ValerieUSA
Go ahead and do it...The UN will declare it a biosphere reserve and it wont be ours anymore.
17 posted on 10/26/2005 8:07:30 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: stylin19a

DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS!


18 posted on 10/26/2005 8:10:23 PM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: ValerieUSA

I have been to this site. Its huge.


19 posted on 10/26/2005 9:15:18 PM PDT by Khurkris (Ain't life funny?)
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To: MEG33
sorry...it's too late ! You're next !

US land currently UN Biosphere Reserves

Aleutian Islands
Big Bend
Cascade Head
Central Plains
Channel Islands
Coram
Denali Desert
Everglades & Dry Tortugas
Fraser
Glacier
H J Andrews
Hubbard Brook
Jornada
Luquillo
Noatak
Olympic
Organ Pipe Cactus
Rocky Mountain
San Dimas
San Joaquin
Sequoia-Kings Canyon
Stanislaus-Tuolumne
Three Sisters
Virgin Islands
Yellowstone
Beaver Creek
Konza Prairie
Niwot Ridge
University of Michigan Biological Station
Virginia Coast
Hawaiian Islands
Isle Royale
Big Thicket
Guanica
California Coast Ranges
Central Gulf Coast Plain
South Atlantic Coastal Plain
Mojave and Colorado Deserts
Carolinian-South Atlantic
Glacier Bay-Admiralty Is.
Golden Gate
New Jersey Pinelands
Southern Appalachian
Champlain-Adirondak
Mammoth Cave Area
Land Between The Lakes Area



Is your head spinning yet ?

If they don't get it as a biosphere reserve there is always UNESCO World Heritage designation

Mesa Verde National Park, Colorado
Yellowstone National Park, Wyoming/Idaho/Montana
Everglades National Park, Florida
Grand Canyon National Park, Arizona
Independence Hall, Pennsylvania
Redwood National Park, California
Mammoth Cave National Park, Kentucky
Olympic National Park, Washington State
Cahokia Mounds State Historic Site, Illinois
Great Smoky Mountains National Park, North Carolina/Tn.
San Juan National Historic Site and La Fortaleza, Puerto Rico
The Statue of Liberty, New York
Yosemite National Park, California
Monticello, and the University of Virginia, Charlottesville, VA
Chaco Culture National Historic Park, New Mexico
Hawaii Volcanoes National Park, including Mauna Loa, Hawaii Pueblo de Taos
Carlsbad Caverns National Pa



After your congresscritters approve L.O.S.T., you will also lose any rights you think you have to your part of the Gulf of Mexico.
20 posted on 10/26/2005 9:46:07 PM PDT by stylin19a
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