Gun grabbers don't let facts stand in the way

FortWayne.com ^ | Tue, Oct. 25, 2005 | J.R. LABBE

[holymoly]

It's hard to imagine that The New York Times' editorial page could misconstrue an issue involving guns, seeing as how the writers of the Gray Lady's editorials are so open-minded about the Second Amendment. (That, dear readers, would be sarcasm.)

An offering last week about legislation before the U.S. House that would protect gun manufacturers from nuisance lawsuits posited: "This extraordinary shield, written to the diktat of the National Rifle Association, is so sweeping that it would have barred the D.C. sniper settlement and other valid negligence claims."

Hmm. Sounds like an editorial written to the diktat of the Brady Center for the Prevention of Gun Violence, so sweeping are its flabbergasted expressions of outrage.

I confess I didn't bother to read what the Times had to say editorially after the House passed HR 800 on Thursday. A person can take only so much hyperbole in one week.

On any other issue in the world, a 283-144 vote would be considered charmingly, refreshingly bipartisan. For 59 Democrats to join 223 Republicans (and one independent) in putting a lid on lawsuits that were geared toward bankrupting a legal business in this country means there is merit in the argument and in the way that the legislation is written.

But don't expect opponents of the act to see it that way. They will fabricate a scenario about how cowed those Democrats were by the big bad gun lobby. Every last man and woman of them is facing a difficult re-election battle next fall, they will argue, and the lawmakers can't afford to alienate gun rights advocates when it comes to polling time.

Whatever. The fact stands that the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, which was passed by the Senate in July by a 65-31 vote, now goes to President Bush. He has said he will sign it.

Gun grabbers have attempted for decades to avoid the rightful place to discuss the nation's federal gun laws - Congress - by filing lawsuits in cases in which some miscreant criminally misuses a gun. The plaintiffs want to hold the gun maker responsible for the criminal act of some scofflaw. That would be like holding General Motors and Exxon Mobil responsible if some looney used a Suburban with a full tank of petrol to run over a bus bench full of people.

Every one of these nuisance lawsuits has been thrown out by judges who recognize the speciousness of the arguments and who understand that laws are supposed to be made in the legislative branch, not the judicial branch, of government.

Truth is, as much as they profess that their legal machinations are all about reducing crime, the anti-gun folks are all about financially crippling the small arms industry through legal fees.

Now before you sip from the same gallon of Kool-Aid from which the Times' editorial writers drink on a regular basis - the one mixed up by the Brady Center and a million marching mommies - do yourself a favor: Read the act. It clearly states the situations in which civil liability lawsuits can go forward against gun manufacturers, distributors and sellers:

_Any case in which a manufacturer or seller knowingly made any false entry in, or failed to make appropriate entry in, any record required to be kept under federal or state law with respect to the qualified product, or aided, abetted, or conspired with any person in making any false or fictitious oral or written statement with respect to any fact material to the lawfulness of the sale or other disposition of a qualified product.

_Any case in which the manufacturer or seller aided, abetted or conspired with any other person to sell or otherwise dispose of a qualified product, knowing, or having reasonable cause to believe, that the actual buyer of the qualified product was prohibited from possessing or receiving a firearm or ammunition under subsection (g) or (n) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code.

_An action for breach of contract or warranty in connection with the purchase of the product.

_An action for death, physical injuries or property damage resulting directly from a defect in design or manufacture of the product, when used as intended or in a reasonably foreseeable manner, except that where the discharge of the product was caused by a volitional act that constituted a criminal offense then such act shall be considered the sole proximate cause of any resulting death, personal injuries or property damage.

If a gun maker puts out a faulty product that ends up injuring or killing someone when used as intended, the gun maker should be sued. If due diligence isn't followed and a gun dealer sells a firearm to a person who is by law forbidden to possess one, the dealer and the buyer should be arrested. If the gun maker falsifies sales records or conspires with a firearms dealer to do so, they should be arrested and charged, with civil liability lawsuits to follow.

Just as blood did not run in U.S. streets after the expiration of the assault weapons ban, society won't crater now that lawsuits can't be filed against gun makers and distributors for the misuse of their products in a crime.

[holymoly]

Gun grabbers don't let facts stand in the way

They never have, and never will. Lies and misinformation are the tools of the anti-gun left.

In her editorial "Gun trade, leaders off the hook again", Marie Cocco states: "With the stroke of President Bush's pen, the gun industry will have greater protection from lawsuits than a homeowner whose loose handrail leads to a trip-and-fall claim."

She (apparently) hopes to decieve the reader into believing the law will prevent product liability lawsuits, which are (as stated above) "An action for death, physical injuries or property damage resulting directly from a defect in design or manufacture of the product..."

In his article/editorial Firearms get unfair exemption, Dan K. Thomasson bemoans the fact that "the House’s decision to join the Senate in excluding the nation’s gun manufacturers from liability in most firearm-related deaths, lawmakers have done something they refused to do for any other industry, including tobacco and asbestos."

How one compares guns with asbestos is beyond me.

But then, I don't possess the twisted mind of an anti-gun zealot.

[thulldud]

How one compares guns with asbestos is beyond me.

Just imagine holding up the local 7-11 with a roll of asbestos.

( Hey, it could happen. One guy tried it with a zucchini. )

[holymoly]

Just imagine holding up the local 7-11 with a roll of asbestos.

I can see it now:

"Anyone moves, and you'll get... um, mesothelioma!"

[absolootezer0]

wait a sec, i thought it was the senate bill that went, not the house bill? the senate bill had the crap, the house bill was clean.
or have i just gotten myself confused here?

[P8riot]

I confess I didn't bother to read what the Times had to say editorially after the House passed HR 800 on Thursday

Actually the House didn't pass HR 800 on Thursday, they passed S 397.

[Burf]

The anti gun lobby reminds me of Cindy Sheehan. Both are "victims", Sheehan loosing her son, Brady shot on the attempt on Reagan's life. They both can say whatever they want in favor of their cause and against their opponent and the MSM laps it up like a cat at the cream.
Where are the streets "running with blood" we were going to see after the expiration of the assault weapons ban? Remember that one? There was to be lawlessness everywhere. When concealed carry laws were enacted the "shootout at the OK Corral" was the next thing to happen. When Florida passed laws allowing citizens to protect their property, tourists were told they were fair game. Seems to me there are a lot less dead tourists than there were when the rent a carjackings were taking place a few years ago. Yes, I admit the marking system for rental cars has changed, but now the bad guys (the real reason for crime) don't know who may be armed.
The media keep portraying the NRA as this giant monster that is the lap dog for the gun industry. In truth, 4 million gun rights supporters are what drive the NRA. Another testament as to why the MSM will never get it.

[holymoly]

The House passed their version of it (H.R.800 - Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act).

[P8riot]

You are correct. The bill that was passed by the House last week was S 397

[P8riot]

This is the roll call for bill that was passed

[apackof2]

"Anyone moves, and you'll get... um, mesothelioma!"

LOL!