Pot law backers draw flak

Rocky Mountain News ^ | 10/14/2005 | Alan Gathright

[robertpaulsen]

"The the controlled substances act is a lie in and of itself. It classifies pot and heroin in the same category and states neither have any medical use."

Then name one major medical organization that states that pot or heroin has medical use.

[mysterio]

American Academy of Family Physicians and the New England Journal of Medicine have both come out in favor of approving medical uses for marijuana.

[robertpaulsen]

The New England Journal of Medicine is not a major medical organization.

I have no idea what the American Academy of Family Physicians is endorsing with their statement, "The American Academy of Family Physicians opposes the use of marijuana except under medical supervision and control for specific medical indications."

Hell, that could be for research only.

[radioman]

You're not saying our current laws are based on outright lies and racist propaganda, are you?

I am...Where's the bodies?
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[robertpaulsen]

Dispute the numbers. You can't, unless you substitute your definitions for theirs -- ie., what you call an addict and what they call an addict.

That's a disagreement, not a lie. You got squat.

[mysterio]

You will deny, deny, deny to not cede any ground, won't you? What do you consider a "reputable" organization, if not the New England Journal of Medicine? I mean, it doesn't get a lot more reputable and established than that.

[-YYZ-]

Sounds like they've been taking lessons from the pro-WOD forces.

[bird4four4]

Faulty logic. If i have zero hand guns on me, I am not in possesion of a gun. It does not make me in possesion of zero guns. Possesion means you have something, if you don't have something you don't have a possesion.

[radioman]

ispute the numbers. You can't, unless you substitute your definitions for theirs -- ie., what you call an addict and what they call an addict

I have substituted nothing. I have defined no terms. I directly quoted the DEA. Did you not notice the quotation marks? All facts and figures are theirs. Anyone can easily do the math. It requires no smoke and mirrors.

That's a disagreement, not a lie.

It's a bald faced lie, and that's a fact.
A wise man said, "honest people can disagree about the causes, but we must not ignore the truth. Dictatorships thrive on lies, but a free republic can only live with the truth."

You got squat

I've got truth...You're squatting on a steamy pile of propaganda.
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[robertpaulsen]

"What do you consider a "reputable" organization, if not the New England Journal of Medicine?"

The Wall Street Journal, but that isn't a medical organization either.

The New England Journal of Medicine is a reputable publisher of "new medical research findings, review articles, and editorial opinion". Its "opinion" on medical marijuana is a relevant as the WSJ's.

On the subject of medical marijuana, a reputable organization would be one like the AMA, The American Cancer Society, The National Cancer Institutes, The American Academy of Opthamology, The Multiple Sclerosis Society, The American Lung Association, or The National Institutes of Health.

[robertpaulsen]

If you possess 4 guns or less, you're in violation of the law. Zero guns would be a violation.

[robertpaulsen]

"I directly quoted the DEA. Did you not notice the quotation marks?"

Uh-huh. What do they mean by "hooked"? Can they be "hooked" but not use it (like an alcoholic that doesn't drink)? What's their definition of a "meth addict"? Is that the same as "hooked"?

What's a "habitual meth user", and is that different than an addict or being "hooked"?

Whoa! Now what do they mean by "methamphetamine abuse"? Is that "habitual"? Or does that mean a whole bunch at once? Does someone who's "hooked" abuse meth, or only addicts do that? Or habitual meth users?

Since this is so clear to you, maybe you can explain it to the rest of us.

[robertpaulsen]

"I've got truth...You're squatting on a steamy pile of propaganda."

You've got LIES, you POS. You'll never be trusted by me.

[mysterio]

Ok.

Groups ranging from the American Cancer Society to Kaiser Permanente support access to or research on medical marijuana.

link

[robertpaulsen]

"Groups ranging from the American Cancer Society to Kaiser Permanente support access to or research on medical marijuana."

So do I.

And when the research is done, the studies complete, the drug trials over, and the papers published in peer-review journals, then the drug can go through the FDA approval process resulting in a prescription drug available from a licensed doctor through a licensed pharmacy -- just like every other drug ( including Marinol®).

Unless you can give me a valid reason why we should make an exception for this drug.

[mysterio]

Glad you support access to medical marijuana and research on it. The government doesn't. And that's what is unfair.

What is also unfair is that the government has made drugs illegal by subverting the Constitution and expanding the interstate commerce clause.

What is additionally unfair is that the government has expanded the WOD into a power grab that lets them knock down any door they want, fill our prisons with nonviolent drug users, and confiscate property on mere suspicion and without a conviction.

Any friend of the Constitution can see how it has been abused and nearly destroyed by the drug war. I don't support the WOD for that reason.

But to more specifically address this particular topic, classifying marijuana as a schedule 1 drug with no medical use so that it may not be prescribed by a physician is absolutely ridiculous. And it is a direct result of the lies and racist policies that was used to make it illegal in the first place. Also, it was scheduled that way simply to be a slap in the face to the left wing who were anti-war. And that is a totally ridiculous way to regulate something.

[Ken H]

That does look awkward standing alone. Maybe it makes sense in the context of the whole code.

Or maybe it's like those old anti-drug spots when that kid is explaining the Founding Fathers: "Dudes, let's like get together and make a country, or something."

[mysterio]

I hope they correct it and pass the resolution. We don't need pot criminals in our jails. It is costing too much and generating no benefit.

[HiTech RedNeck]

But it will, Jackboots. Think of all that carbon dioxide tied up in the plants, that can't contribute to the greenhouse effect till it's smoked.

[Know your rights]

"This is a more honest campaign than any you will ever see."

It's certainly more honest than most of the government's anti-marijuana propaganda.