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Probing Attacks? OU, UCLA, Alanta and Subway Hoax. Speculation...

Posted on 10/11/2005 9:05:31 AM PDT by FlatLandBeer

Does anyone think that the OU bomber, the bomb at UCLA, and the one in Atlanta could have been planted as a test of our response and reactions? A probing attack? Also what better way to see how police and 1st responders react then to have a phony threat on the subway.

Any thoughts?


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bombers; subway; terrorists

1 posted on 10/11/2005 9:05:40 AM PDT by FlatLandBeer
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To: FlatLandBeer

If it is, they are looking for another New Orleans, no doubt.


2 posted on 10/11/2005 9:11:52 AM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (I alone, am the chosen one. Because I alone, did the choosing.)
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To: FlatLandBeer

You imply the enemy is organized and intelligent.

But that does not really seem to be the case. It would be foolish to expect our current enemies to have to the order and displine that you saw in, say, the Communist Party. They are more like a bunch of idiots running around blowing up things at random while posting blowhard manifestos on the internet.


3 posted on 10/11/2005 9:14:31 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: FlatLandBeer

Sounds reasonable to me.
I dont know if this is related in any way, but this very moment Fox News is showing a standoff in Lawrenceville, GA - possible explosive device in a house. SWAT teams are there.

Where is Lawrenceville, GA located?


4 posted on 10/11/2005 9:15:54 AM PDT by texianyankee
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To: FlatLandBeer
Also what better way to see how police and 1st responders react then to have a phony threat on the subway.

In my opinion, a "phony threat" on the NYC subway system is still a terrorist attack -- it is an action designed to cause panic and fear in the population, and to tie up resources.

Obviously, the "hoax" has nonetheless been effective in this regard.
5 posted on 10/11/2005 9:16:05 AM PDT by Thrusher ("...there is no peace without victory.")
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To: FlatLandBeer

I don't think it's as organized as that. I think it's more a "cry wolf" strategy. Continue lots of misinformation and small things until the American public doesn't pay any attention to the warnings/hype.


6 posted on 10/11/2005 9:17:26 AM PDT by Hoodlum91
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To: proxy_user
...You imply the enemy is organized and intelligent....

The enemy IS organized and intelligent.

Al Qaeda is not our only enemy.

Don't forget about China, Iran, N. Korea, etc.

All of these have the capability to probe our defenses.

7 posted on 10/11/2005 9:19:28 AM PDT by FReepaholic (If ignorance ain't bliss I don't know what is.)
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To: Hoodlum91

When I was in college, our dorm repeatedly had fire drills in the dead of winter and we had to stand outside shivering in our pajamas until the drill was over. By the end of the semester, no one was leaving their rooms for these drills anymore. By that time, had there been a real fire, I'd have burned alive.


8 posted on 10/11/2005 9:19:36 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (No amnesty needed...My ancestors proudly served. [remodel of an old '70s bumper sticker])
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To: proxy_user

Proxy_user said:
"You imply the enemy is organized and intelligent."

This is the sort of thinking that got us into Pearl Harbor, i.e., the Japanese could not make airplanes on their own, and besides all of their pilots are near sighted.

No time for twaddle, these folks want to kill us. I'm taking them seriously.


9 posted on 10/11/2005 9:22:37 AM PDT by tomswiftjr (Remember Pearl Harbor)
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To: FlatLandBeer
of course they are and even if they are not you have to treat them as if they are. silly question
10 posted on 10/11/2005 9:34:37 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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To: proxy_user

"You imply the enemy is organized and intelligent."

- I think you underestimate what we are dealing with.

I agree that suicide bombers and most terrorists in general lack a certain degree of intelligence, but they make up for it with patience, planning and raw hatred. 9/11, Spain, London and others took a high degree of planning and coordination to pull off, though it doesn't take a rocket scientist to fly a plane into a building or pull a string on a backsack. Intelligence level isn't always necessary to do what they do.

Another point to consider is the fact that unlike the Soviets, terrorists answer to no earthly master, are responsible to no one, and are driven by fanatical ideology without scruples and are not guided by national accountability or interests. These traits make them more dangerous, harder to find and the nationalities they hail from less culpable.

The only way to defeat these people is to completely destroy and make a mockery of the ideology they operate under. That Ideology is in fact Islam. Islam needs to be destroyed, and can be by shedding light on the wickedness of its founding prophet and ideology of hatred and intolerance found within it's writing, teaching and history.

This can only happen when enough of us know this truth, force our government, judiciary, media and education systems to drop the PC garbage they operate from and join the true war we need to wage...they ideology war.

This war will eventually be won with the pen rather than with military might though many lives will be lost in the process. Most likely, a hugely disproportionate number of them will be Muslims, due to the fact that we (America and the West) are far more capable of dealing death in large numbers than they are and we will probably be forced to do so by increasing Muslim aggression and atrocities. It will take one large event, like a nuked city, to whip this country into a ferocious frenzy the likes of which the world has never seen dwarfing in comparison our efforts in WWII.


11 posted on 10/11/2005 9:45:32 AM PDT by Frenetic
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To: FlatLandBeer

Also recall that the Air Force Academy had a threat to their stadium back in mid-September. It's in Colorado Springs, which is where the OU bomb guy lived.


12 posted on 10/11/2005 10:19:02 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: FlatLandBeer

Doubt they're all related, but some could be. The one in GA, for example - excuse me if I'm wrong - involved pop bottles, and you could make a case that this kind of thing goes on all the time; you can't really connect it as it's so common. I'll bet there were a hundred incidents like this all over the place that don't get picked up by the media. On the other hand, using something like pop bottles, being relatively common, is a good way to keep the glaze over people's eyes ("oh - another pop bottle. So what?").

Interesting, though, that places of higher edoocashun are increasingly reported on. Oklahoma has, of course, been a target before.


13 posted on 10/11/2005 10:28:40 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: texianyankee
Where is Lawrenceville, GA located?

East of Atlanta...suburbs

14 posted on 10/11/2005 10:30:21 AM PDT by CFW
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To: FlatLandBeer
Wasn't the GA Tech "bomb" a bunch of bottle rockets in a container? Hardly Al Qaeda handiwork. I, on the other hand, am wondering about the government/news media in their constant attempts to keep the American populace in a constant state of fear:

Terrorists 9/11 and after

Shark attacks

Missing persons (Aruba, Runaway Bride, etc)

West Nile Virus

Bird Flu/Avian Flu

Drug War

15 posted on 10/11/2005 1:43:40 PM PDT by xrp (Conservative votes are to Republicans what 90% of black votes are to Democrats (taken for granted))
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