House Approves 'ANTI-HATE' Bill Amendment

National Prayer Network ^ | Sept. 26 2005 | Rev. Ted Pike

[Iron Matron]

Regarding Constitutionality.

We the People do not have to follow unconstitutional laws. The government just wants us to THINK we have to. They think that all their judicial activism fools all of us.

There are Constitutional Options..This Government CAN be brought to task..we can use the vote..failing that..we can use other options..clearly defined in the ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS.

Are we We the People..or not?

[Cicero]

In Franklin's words, we have a Republic as long as we can keep it. That means we need to get some better legislators and better judges.

[joesnuffy]

Dear friend,

For years, the ACLU has made a fortune by suing and receiving
compensation for attorney fees on cases that they filed--not
just any cases--but cases that impact the Christian faith.

Recently in Nebraska, the ACLU was awarded $156,960 after
a judge overturned an amendment to the Nebraska constitution
defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman--
even though 70 percent of Nebraska voters supported the amendment!

Over the last few years, American taxpayers have given
the ACLU and various pro-abortion organizations upwards
of $6,000,000 in court awards, following the Supreme Court's
decision in which it declared the Nebraska partial birth
abortion ban unconstitutional. These awards have affected
30 states!

All Free Americans take note, this courtroom campaign has netted the
ACLU untold millions, and continues to fuel the group's
insatiable drive to secularize our nation!

So what can grassroots Christians do?

+ + Defund the ACLU now

Recently, U.S. Representative John Hostettler introduced the
Public Expression of Religion Act of 2005 (HR 2679)--legislation
that would prevent secular organizations from collecting attorney
fees after suing communities to remove religious symbols.

The Center for Reclaiming America for Christ is calling on
members of their online team to rally and mobilize at least
100,000 citizen petitions to present to Congress within the
next 30 days, urging lawmakers to support the Hostettler bill.

You can help us expose and defund the ACLU by adding your
name to our petition:

http://www.cfra.info/33/petition.asp?RID=7419653

Unless Christians take a strong stand to end the ACLU's
license to print money, these kinds of attacks on our
rights to publicly acknowledge God will continue to
escalate.

Please sign our petition today!

And after signing, please forward this important message
to your friends and family, urging them to follow your lead.

Thanks for standing with us in the battle to expose and
defund the ACLU.

Dr. Gary Cass
Executive Director
Center for Reclaiming America for Christ

P.S. We really want to move rapidly on this issue! That is
why as soon as we reach our 100,000 goal, I will alert my
staff to finalize presentation plans to get your petition
into the hands of key lawmakers! Please sign the petition
today:

http://www.cfra.info/33/petition.asp?RID=7419653

+ + Read more about The Public Expression of Religion Act of 2005:

http://thomas.loc.gov

+ + For more on the ACLU visit our homepage:

http://www.reclaimamerica.org/

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The Center for Reclaiming America for Christ, established by
Dr. D. James Kennedy, is an outreach of Coral Ridge Ministries
to inform the American public and motivate Christians to defend
and implement the biblical principles on which our country was
founded. The Center, led by Executive Director Dr. Gary Cass,
provides non-partisan, non-denominational information, training,
and support to all those interested in impacting the culture
and renewing the vision set forth by our Founding Fathers.
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Questions? cfra@coralridge.org

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[joesnuffy]

ACLU the ADL's twin sister....

[Nightshift]

How did it pass with a Republican majority?

We the people have been duped by the RINO's and if Bush signs this then, freedom of speech will mean nothing and the battle will begin.

Lets see if Bush has the fortitude to veto it.

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

If any provision of this title, an amendment made by this title, or the application of such provision or amendment to any person or circumstance is held to be unconstitutional, the remainder of this Act, the amendments made by this Act, and the application of the provisions of such to any person or circumstance shall not be affected thereby. Passed the House of Representatives September 14, 2005.

OH JUDGE ROBERTS YOUR UP TO BAT !!!!

Or at least you will be soon !

[Windcatcher]

"Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin of any person-"

From the text it looks like it only covers violent crimes, but we will need to watch it closely so it doesn't get extended into speech. I can see the point they are making -- that a crime against an individual can be for the purpose of terrorizing an entire group (ethnic, religious, whatever). We just need to make sure that our legislators are comparing apples with apples, that is, violence with violence. Speech and thoughts are entirely another matter. I would feel better if this law explicitly pointed out that this law could never be stretched to include speech and/or dissent.

[smug]

Humph. Why would anyone care of the motive behind a crime! This is Barbra Streisand of the smelliest form.

[dljordan]

"This is all part of a grand strategy to defeat the democrats, once that is accomplished, then we can start talking about promoting our agenda. /sarcasm"

Oh, I get it. It's strategery of the highest level right? I think I'm being strategerized straight into a PC police state.

[Paul C. Jesup]

This legislation gives special federal protection to select groups including homosexuals. Throughout history, many homosexuals have sodomized underage boys.

Even if this bill passed, child molestation would still be illegal, therefore the above statement is a strawman arguement meant to stirup people to the point where they do not think clearly and logically on this subject.

[virgil]

This Government CAN be brought to task..we can use the vote..

What good is the vote if the only choice you have is between loser #1 and loser #2?

[joesnuffy]

Ultimately the ADL hopes to undermine American Evangelical
support for Israel by turning Evangelicals against Jews
in America..

IMO the ADL members are not really Jewish...

Abraham was a Jew because of his covenant relationship with
God...

Atheists do not have a covenant relationship with anyone
other than Antichrist...

In the Old Testament book of Daniel Antichrist is said to
'Not regard the God of his fathers...and that he will eschew the company of women'...

There is a hate crime about to unfold alright...a hatred
of Antichrist for Evangelical Christians and the America of our founding fathers who he also hates..

IMO

[BlackbirdSST]

Hmmm yeah tell me again why I should go vote Republican again?

Because a Dem would be so much worse. Do I need a disclaimer? Blackbird.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[Paloma_55]

Child molestation would be illegal, but not for a 15 year old gay boy to "get friendly" with a 13 year old boy that is going through that difficult and challenging time in their life.

The big threat of making homosexuality normal is not that homos will come into our homes and chase down our children, it is that young ones will make advances on young, innocent, children and those children will be convinced that they must be gay too. Once a child swings that direction, it will be very difficult for them to get back to normal because they will get sucked into the culture.

[Leatherneck_MT]

"Because a Dem would be so much worse. Do I need a disclaimer? Blackbird."

Sorry, that no longer holds water with me. For 23 years I have worked to see conservative principles enacted in my local republican party(s). Now the libs have taken over the National Party and are nothing more then Democrat Lite.

If that's what the Republican party is, then it's no longer the party for me. I'll find a group that I can support without seeing my national party whore itself for votes.

[Paul C. Jesup]

The big threat of making homosexuality normal is not that homos will come into our homes and chase down our children,

You must not pay attention to what is posted on FR, because most of the child molesters reported on FR for the last couple of years, not talking about the MSM, but FR, are hetrosexuals.

This "all homosexuals are child rapists" is the same type of stupidity and blind hatred as when the feminists scream "all men are rapists", and it does nothing for your side of the argument and makes you look like a rabid fanatic that cannot be reasoned with.

[Paloma_55]

The big threat of making homosexuality normal is not that homos will come into our homes and chase down our children,

You must not pay attention to what is posted on FR, because most of the child molesters reported on FR for the last couple of years, not talking about the MSM, but FR, are hetrosexuals.

This "all homosexuals are child rapists" is the same type of stupidity and blind hatred as when the feminists scream "all men are rapists", and it does nothing for your side of the argument and makes you look like a rabid fanatic that cannot be reasoned with.

I have a few problems with your argument.

1) I did not see anyone make the argument that "all homosexuals are child rapists", thus, its hard to proceed much along the rest of your line of reason.

2) The problem I referred to, YOUNG homosexuals hitting on younger, naive and inexperienced kids, you completely ignored. This is a huge problem that would come from normalization. Kids already go through a ton of anxiety when they go through puberty. "Am I going to be liked by girls? Will I fit in? Will I meet my own expectations?"
When a young boy gets hit on by an older boy, it is going to raise doubts in his mind. "Why me? Do I look gay? Maybe I am?" when in fact, the kid is normal.

This is a huge issue and you seemed to ignore it.

[BlackbirdSST]

Sorry, that no longer holds water with me. For 23 years I have worked to see conservative principles enacted in my local republican party(s). Now the libs have taken over the National Party and are nothing more then Democrat Lite. If that's what the Republican party is, then it's no longer the party for me. I'll find a group that I can support without seeing my national party whore itself for votes.

We are in 100% agreement, and in much the same boat. I don't buy into the Party Line crap anymore. There are plenty here that would say I never did, but they are fools on a fools errand. Blackbird.

[Paul C. Jesup]

1) I did not see anyone make the argument that "all homosexuals are child rapists", thus, its hard to proceed much along the rest of your line of reason.

Then you must not read what you post. Fine, ignore what I say, you are only hurting yourself.