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House Approves 'ANTI-HATE' Bill Amendment
National Prayer Network ^ | Sept. 26 2005 | Rev. Ted Pike

Posted on 09/26/2005 12:47:56 PM PDT by manumission

On Sept 14, the Orwellian federal “anti-hate” bill, AMDT.2662 (The Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2005), was passed by the House of Representatives. It will establish a “hate crimes” bureaucracy in America, just like Canada’s, ending free speech.

This legislation gives special federal protection to select groups including homosexuals. Throughout history, many homosexuals have sodomized underage boys. Incredibly, AMDT.2662 was inserted into the text of the Children’s Safety Act of 2005 (HR3132). Many house members, too busy to read the bill, thought they were protecting children. Actually, they were doing the opposite!

The Children’s Safety Act has now been referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee under the chair of veteran “hate laws” advocate Sen. Arlen Specter. If the Senate Judiciary Committee allows the wording of the Children’s Safety Act and its evil rider, AMDT.2662, to remain unaltered, it will go directly to President Bush to be signed into law.

HOUSE APPROVES “ANTI-HATE” BILL By Rev. Ted Pike

In a surprising move, the House of Representatives on September 14, 2005 approved “The Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2005,” HR2662, as an amendment to the Children’s Safety Act, HR3132. It was approved 223-199.

The Senate is expected to also approve a similar amendment within a month.

This federal legislation, orchestrated by the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith will lead to creation of a vast anti-hate bureaucracy in America, similar to what now exists in Canada. In Canada it is a “hate crime” to publicly criticize such federally protected groups as homosexuals and Jews. In Canada free speech talk radio no longer exists. It is even illegal now in some areas to evangelize or “proselytize” in public.

HR2662, S1145, while ostensibly punishing only violent hate crimes, nevertheless creates an anti-hate bureaucracy through several means:

It breaks down all barriers between federal and states’ rights in law enforcement. It allows federal “thought police” to meddle, upon the flimsiest of pretexts, in states’ enforcement of civil rights laws.

It requires all states to pass and enforce ADL-style anti-hate laws.

It enforces nationwide the working ADL definition of “hate” as being “bias” against federally protected groups, such as homosexuals. Such automatically makes the Bible into “hate literature” and preaching from it into “hate speech.” Result: Bible-believing Christians become potential hate criminals. The nation was aghast last October 10th when the ADL’s national executive board member, Lynne Abraham, D.A. of Philadelphia, arrested 11 Christians as hate criminals. Her charge: Their preaching was “biased” against homosexuals. They were “hate criminals” because they used an “instrument of crime” (a megaphone) to express “hate speech,” (Bible verses) against homosexuals.

If this “big brother legislation” becomes law, the ADL and federal government will, through enabling legislation and judicial precedents, be exponentially empowered to indict Christians. Pastors, talk show hosts, publishers, critics of Israel, etc. will be liable to arrest just like the Philadelphia Eleven.

Text of the Amendment

H.R.3132 Children's Safety Act of 2005 (Referred to Senate Committee after being Received from House)

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TITLE X--LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT HATE CRIMES PREVENTION

SEC. 1001. SHORT TITLE.

This title may be cited as the `Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2005'.

SEC. 1002. FINDINGS.

Congress makes the following findings:

(1) The incidence of violence motivated by the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of the victim poses a serious national problem.

(2) Such violence disrupts the tranquility and safety of communities and is deeply divisive.

(3) State and local authorities are now and will continue to be responsible for prosecuting the overwhelming majority of violent crimes in the United States, including violent crimes motivated by bias. These authorities can carry out their responsibilities more effectively with greater Federal assistance.

(4) Existing Federal law is inadequate to address this problem.

(5) The prominent characteristic of a violent crime motivated by bias is that it devastates not just the actual victim and the family and friends of the victim, but frequently savages the community sharing the traits that caused the victim to be selected.

(6) Such violence substantially affects interstate commerce in many ways, including--

(A) by impeding the movement of members of targeted groups and forcing such members to move across State lines to escape the incidence or risk of such violence; and

(B) by preventing members of targeted groups from purchasing goods and services, obtaining or sustaining employment, or participating in other commercial activity.

(7) Perpetrators cross State lines to commit such violence.

(8) Channels, facilities, and instrumentalities of interstate commerce are used to facilitate the commission of such violence.

(9) Such violence is committed using articles that have traveled in interstate commerce.

(10) For generations, the institutions of slavery and involuntary servitude were defined by the race, color, and ancestry of those held in bondage. Slavery and involuntary servitude were enforced, both prior to and after the adoption of the 13th amendment to the Constitution of the United States, through widespread public and private violence directed at persons because of their race, color, or ancestry, or perceived race, color, or ancestry. Accordingly, eliminating racially motivated violence is an important means of eliminating, to the extent possible, the badges, incidents, and relics of slavery and involuntary servitude.

(11) Both at the time when the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments to the Constitution of the United States were adopted, and continuing to date, members of certain religious and national origin groups were and are perceived to be distinct `races'. Thus, in order to eliminate, to the extent possible, the badges, incidents, and relics of slavery, it is necessary to prohibit assaults on the basis of real or perceived religions or national origins, at least to the extent such religions or national origins were regarded as races at the time of the adoption of the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments to the Constitution of the United States.

(12) Federal jurisdiction over certain violent crimes motivated by bias enables Federal, State, and local authorities to work together as partners in the investigation and prosecution of such crimes.

(13) The problem of crimes motivated by bias is sufficiently serious, widespread, and interstate in nature as to warrant Federal assistance to States and local jurisdictions.

SEC. 1003. DEFINITION OF HATE CRIME.

In this title, the term `hate crime' has the same meaning as in section 280003(a) of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 (28 U.S.C. 994 note).

SEC. 1004. SUPPORT FOR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS AND PROSECUTIONS BY STATE AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS.

(a) Assistance Other Than Financial Assistance-

(1) IN GENERAL- At the request of a law enforcement official of a State or Indian tribe, the Attorney General may provide technical, forensic, prosecutorial, or any other form of assistance in the criminal investigation or prosecution of any crime that--

(A) constitutes a crime of violence (as defined in section 16 of title 18, United States Code);

(B) constitutes a felony under the laws of the State or Indian tribe; and

(C) is motivated by prejudice based on the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of the victim, or is a violation of the hate crime laws of the State or Indian tribe.

(2) PRIORITY- In providing assistance under paragraph (1), the Attorney General shall give priority to crimes committed by offenders who have committed crimes in more than 1 State and to rural jurisdictions that have difficulty covering the extraordinary expenses relating to the investigation or prosecution of the crime.

(b) Grants-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Attorney General may award grants to assist State, local, and Indian law enforcement officials with the extraordinary expenses associated with the investigation and prosecution of hate crimes.

(2) OFFICE OF JUSTICE PROGRAMS- In implementing the grant program, the Office of Justice Programs shall work closely with the funded jurisdictions to ensure that the concerns and needs of all affected parties, including community groups and schools, colleges, and universities, are addressed through the local infrastructure developed under the grants.

(3) APPLICATION-

(A) IN GENERAL- Each State that desires a grant under this subsection shall submit an application to the Attorney General at such time, in such manner, and accompanied by or containing such information as the Attorney General shall reasonably require.

(B) DATE FOR SUBMISSION- Applications submitted pursuant to subparagraph (A) shall be submitted during the 60-day period beginning on a date that the Attorney General shall prescribe.

(C) REQUIREMENTS- A State or political subdivision of a State or tribal official applying for assistance under this subsection shall--

(i) describe the extraordinary purposes for which the grant is needed;

(ii) certify that the State, political subdivision, or Indian tribe lacks the resources necessary to investigate or prosecute the hate crime;

(iii) demonstrate that, in developing a plan to implement the grant, the State, political subdivision, or tribal official has consulted and coordinated with nonprofit, nongovernmental victim services programs that have experience in providing services to victims of hate crimes; and

(iv) certify that any Federal funds received under this subsection will be used to supplement, not supplant, non-Federal funds that would otherwise be available for activities funded under this subsection.

(4) DEADLINE- An application for a grant under this subsection shall be approved or disapproved by the Attorney General not later than 30 business days after the date on which the Attorney General receives the application.

(5) GRANT AMOUNT- A grant under this subsection shall not exceed $100,000 for any single jurisdiction within a 1 year period.

(6) REPORT- Not later than December 31, 2006, the Attorney General shall submit to Congress a report describing the applications submitted for grants under this subsection, the award of such grants, and the purposes for which the grant amounts were expended.

(7) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There is authorized to be appropriated to carry out this subsection $5,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2006 and 2007.

SEC. 1005. GRANT PROGRAM.

(a) Authority to Make Grants- The Office of Justice Programs of the Department of Justice shall award grants, in accordance with such regulations as the Attorney General may prescribe, to State and local programs designed to combat hate crimes committed by juveniles, including programs to train local law enforcement officers in identifying, investigating, prosecuting, and preventing hate crimes.

(b) Authorization of Appropriations- There are authorized to be appropriated such sums as may be necessary to carry out this section.

SEC. 1006. AUTHORIZATION FOR ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL TO ASSIST STATE AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.

There are authorized to be appropriated to the Department of Justice, including the Community Relations Service, for fiscal years 2006, 2007, and 2008 such sums as are necessary to increase the number of personnel to prevent and respond to alleged violations of section 249 of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 1007.

SEC. 1007. PROHIBITION OF CERTAIN HATE CRIME ACTS.

(a) In General- Chapter 13 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`Sec. 249. Hate crime acts

`(a) In General-

`(1) OFFENSES INVOLVING ACTUAL OR PERCEIVED RACE, COLOR, RELIGION, OR NATIONAL ORIGIN- Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin of any person--

`(A) shall be imprisoned not more than 10 years, fined in accordance with this title, or both; and

`(B) shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life, fined in accordance with this title, or both, if--

`(i) death results from the offense; or

`(ii) the offense includes kidnaping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill.

`(2) OFFENSES INVOLVING ACTUAL OR PERCEIVED RELIGION, NATIONAL ORIGIN, GENDER, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, GENDER IDENTITY, OR DISABILITY-

`(A) IN GENERAL- Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, in any circumstance described in subparagraph (B), willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability of any person--

`(i) shall be imprisoned not more than 10 years, fined in accordance with this title, or both; and

`(ii) shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life, fined in accordance with this title, or both, if--

`(I) death results from the offense; or

`(II) the offense includes kidnaping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill.

`(B) CIRCUMSTANCES DESCRIBED- For purposes of subparagraph (A), the circumstances described in this subparagraph are that--

`(i) the conduct described in subparagraph (A) occurs during the course of, or as the result of, the travel of the defendant or the victim--

`(I) across a State line or national border; or

`(II) using a channel, facility, or instrumentality of interstate or foreign commerce;

`(ii) the defendant uses a channel, facility, or instrumentality of interstate or foreign commerce in connection with the conduct described in subparagraph (A);

`(iii) in connection with the conduct described in subparagraph (A), the defendant employs a firearm, explosive or incendiary device, or other weapon that has traveled in interstate or foreign commerce; or

`(iv) the conduct described in subparagraph (A)--

`(I) interferes with commercial or other economic activity in which the victim is engaged at the time of the conduct; or

`(II) otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce.

`(b) Certification Requirement- No prosecution of any offense described in this subsection may be undertaken by the United States, except under the certification in writing of the Attorney General, the Deputy Attorney General, the Associate Attorney General, or any Assistant Attorney General specially designated by the Attorney General that--

`(1) he or she has reasonable cause to believe that the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of any person was a motivating factor underlying the alleged conduct of the defendant; and

`(2) he or his designee or she or her designee has consulted with State or local law enforcement officials regarding the prosecution and determined that--

`(A) the State does not have jurisdiction or does not intend to exercise jurisdiction;

`(B) the State has requested that the Federal Government assume jurisdiction;

`(C) the State does not object to the Federal Government assuming jurisdiction; or

`(D) the verdict or sentence obtained pursuant to State charges left demonstratively unvindicated the Federal interest in eradicating bias-motivated violence.

`(c) Definitions- In this section--

`(1) the term `explosive or incendiary device' has the meaning given the term in section 232 of this title;

`(2) the term `firearm' has the meaning given the term in section 921(a) of this title; and

`(3) the term `gender identity' for the purposes of this chapter means actual or perceived gender-related characteristics.

`(d) Rule of Evidence- In a prosecution for an offense under this section, evidence of expression or associations of the defendant may not be introduced as substantive evidence at trial, unless the evidence specifically relates to that offense. However, nothing in this section affects the rules of evidence governing impeachment of a witness.'.

(b) Technical and Conforming Amendment- The analysis for chapter 13 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`249. Hate crime acts.'.

SEC. 1008. STATISTICS.

Subsection (b)(1) of the first section of the Hate Crimes Statistics Act (28 U.S.C. 534 note) is amended by inserting `gender and gender identity,' after `race,'.

SEC. 1009. SEVERABILITY.

If any provision of this title, an amendment made by this title, or the application of such provision or amendment to any person or circumstance is held to be unconstitutional, the remainder of this Act, the amendments made by this Act, and the application of the provisions of such to any person or circumstance shall not be affected thereby. Passed the House of Representatives September 14, 2005.


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To: Cicero
Regarding Constitutionality.

We the People do not have to follow unconstitutional laws. The government just wants us to THINK we have to. They think that all their judicial activism fools all of us.

There are Constitutional Options..This Government CAN be brought to task..we can use the vote..failing that..we can use other options..clearly defined in the ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS.

Are we We the People..or not?

41 posted on 09/26/2005 2:43:18 PM PDT by Iron Matron
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To: Iron Matron

In Franklin's words, we have a Republic as long as we can keep it. That means we need to get some better legislators and better judges.


42 posted on 09/26/2005 3:46:42 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: manumission
Dear friend,

For years, the ACLU has made a fortune by suing and receiving
compensation for attorney fees on cases that they filed--not
just any cases--but cases that impact the Christian faith.

Recently in Nebraska, the ACLU was awarded $156,960 after
a judge overturned an amendment to the Nebraska constitution
defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman--
even though 70 percent of Nebraska voters supported the amendment!

Over the last few years, American taxpayers have given
the ACLU and various pro-abortion organizations upwards
of $6,000,000 in court awards, following the Supreme Court's
decision in which it declared the Nebraska partial birth
abortion ban unconstitutional. These awards have affected
30 states!

All Free Americans take note, this courtroom campaign has netted the
ACLU untold millions, and continues to fuel the group's
insatiable drive to secularize our nation!

So what can grassroots Christians do?

+ + Defund the ACLU now

Recently, U.S. Representative John Hostettler introduced the
Public Expression of Religion Act of 2005 (HR 2679)--legislation
that would prevent secular organizations from collecting attorney
fees after suing communities to remove religious symbols.

The Center for Reclaiming America for Christ is calling on
members of their online team to rally and mobilize at least
100,000 citizen petitions to present to Congress within the
next 30 days, urging lawmakers to support the Hostettler bill.

You can help us expose and defund the ACLU by adding your
name to our petition:

http://www.cfra.info/33/petition.asp?RID=7419653

Unless Christians take a strong stand to end the ACLU's
license to print money, these kinds of attacks on our
rights to publicly acknowledge God will continue to
escalate.

Please sign our petition today!

And after signing, please forward this important message
to your friends and family, urging them to follow your lead.

Thanks for standing with us in the battle to expose and
defund the ACLU.

Dr. Gary Cass
Executive Director
Center for Reclaiming America for Christ

P.S. We really want to move rapidly on this issue! That is
why as soon as we reach our 100,000 goal, I will alert my
staff to finalize presentation plans to get your petition
into the hands of key lawmakers! Please sign the petition
today:

http://www.cfra.info/33/petition.asp?RID=7419653

+ + Read more about The Public Expression of Religion Act of 2005:

http://thomas.loc.gov

+ + For more on the ACLU visit our homepage:

http://www.reclaimamerica.org/

+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
The Center for Reclaiming America for Christ, established by
Dr. D. James Kennedy, is an outreach of Coral Ridge Ministries
to inform the American public and motivate Christians to defend
and implement the biblical principles on which our country was
founded. The Center, led by Executive Director Dr. Gary Cass,
provides non-partisan, non-denominational information, training,
and support to all those interested in impacting the culture
and renewing the vision set forth by our Founding Fathers.
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +

Questions? cfra@coralridge.org



43 posted on 09/26/2005 4:44:27 PM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: joesnuffy

ACLU the ADL's twin sister....


44 posted on 09/26/2005 4:45:17 PM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: tutstar; gondramB
How did it pass with a Republican majority?

We the people have been duped by the RINO's and if Bush signs this then, freedom of speech will mean nothing and the battle will begin.

Lets see if Bush has the fortitude to veto it.

45 posted on 09/26/2005 4:56:13 PM PDT by Nightshift (Faith is something everyone has. The question is faith in what?)
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To: manumission; Happy2BMe; Memother; chesty_puller; Bigun; JohnHuang2; mhking; ...
If any provision of this title, an amendment made by this title, or the application of such provision or amendment to any person or circumstance is held to be unconstitutional, the remainder of this Act, the amendments made by this Act, and the application of the provisions of such to any person or circumstance shall not be affected thereby. Passed the House of Representatives September 14, 2005.

OH JUDGE ROBERTS YOUR UP TO BAT !!!!

Or at least you will be soon !

46 posted on 09/26/2005 4:56:32 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (secus acutulus exspiro ab Acheron bipes actio absol ab Acheron supplico)
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To: manumission
"Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin of any person-"

From the text it looks like it only covers violent crimes, but we will need to watch it closely so it doesn't get extended into speech. I can see the point they are making -- that a crime against an individual can be for the purpose of terrorizing an entire group (ethnic, religious, whatever). We just need to make sure that our legislators are comparing apples with apples, that is, violence with violence. Speech and thoughts are entirely another matter. I would feel better if this law explicitly pointed out that this law could never be stretched to include speech and/or dissent.
47 posted on 09/26/2005 5:00:29 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Earth to libs: MARXISM DOESN'T SELL HERE. Try somewhere else.)
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To: manumission
Humph. Why would anyone care of the motive behind a crime! This is Barbra Streisand of the smelliest form.
48 posted on 09/26/2005 5:01:01 PM PDT by smug (Tanstaafl)
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To: Rodney King

"This is all part of a grand strategy to defeat the democrats, once that is accomplished, then we can start talking about promoting our agenda. /sarcasm"

Oh, I get it. It's strategery of the highest level right? I think I'm being strategerized straight into a PC police state.


49 posted on 09/26/2005 5:06:32 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: manumission
This legislation gives special federal protection to select groups including homosexuals. Throughout history, many homosexuals have sodomized underage boys.

Even if this bill passed, child molestation would still be illegal, therefore the above statement is a strawman arguement meant to stirup people to the point where they do not think clearly and logically on this subject.

50 posted on 09/26/2005 5:19:52 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Iron Matron
This Government CAN be brought to task..we can use the vote..

What good is the vote if the only choice you have is between loser #1 and loser #2?

51 posted on 09/26/2005 5:30:41 PM PDT by virgil
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To: manumission
Ultimately the ADL hopes to undermine American Evangelical
support for Israel by turning Evangelicals against Jews
in America..

IMO the ADL members are not really Jewish...

Abraham was a Jew because of his covenant relationship with
God...

Atheists do not have a covenant relationship with anyone
other than Antichrist...

In the Old Testament book of Daniel Antichrist is said to
'Not regard the God of his fathers...and that he will eschew the company of women'...

There is a hate crime about to unfold alright...a hatred
of Antichrist for Evangelical Christians and the America of our founding fathers who he also hates..

IMO
52 posted on 09/26/2005 5:36:41 PM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Hmmm yeah tell me again why I should go vote Republican again?

Because a Dem would be so much worse. Do I need a disclaimer? Blackbird.

53 posted on 09/26/2005 5:58:37 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Thanks for the ping!


54 posted on 09/26/2005 10:10:15 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Paul C. Jesup

Child molestation would be illegal, but not for a 15 year old gay boy to "get friendly" with a 13 year old boy that is going through that difficult and challenging time in their life.

The big threat of making homosexuality normal is not that homos will come into our homes and chase down our children, it is that young ones will make advances on young, innocent, children and those children will be convinced that they must be gay too. Once a child swings that direction, it will be very difficult for them to get back to normal because they will get sucked into the culture.


55 posted on 09/27/2005 5:39:14 AM PDT by Paloma_55 (Which part of "Common Sense" do you not understand???)
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To: BlackbirdSST

"Because a Dem would be so much worse. Do I need a disclaimer? Blackbird."

Sorry, that no longer holds water with me. For 23 years I have worked to see conservative principles enacted in my local republican party(s). Now the libs have taken over the National Party and are nothing more then Democrat Lite.

If that's what the Republican party is, then it's no longer the party for me. I'll find a group that I can support without seeing my national party whore itself for votes.


56 posted on 09/27/2005 6:01:33 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: Paloma_55
The big threat of making homosexuality normal is not that homos will come into our homes and chase down our children,

You must not pay attention to what is posted on FR, because most of the child molesters reported on FR for the last couple of years, not talking about the MSM, but FR, are hetrosexuals.

This "all homosexuals are child rapists" is the same type of stupidity and blind hatred as when the feminists scream "all men are rapists", and it does nothing for your side of the argument and makes you look like a rabid fanatic that cannot be reasoned with.

57 posted on 09/27/2005 6:13:45 AM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Paul C. Jesup
The big threat of making homosexuality normal is not that homos will come into our homes and chase down our children,

You must not pay attention to what is posted on FR, because most of the child molesters reported on FR for the last couple of years, not talking about the MSM, but FR, are hetrosexuals.

This "all homosexuals are child rapists" is the same type of stupidity and blind hatred as when the feminists scream "all men are rapists", and it does nothing for your side of the argument and makes you look like a rabid fanatic that cannot be reasoned with.


I have a few problems with your argument.

1) I did not see anyone make the argument that "all homosexuals are child rapists", thus, its hard to proceed much along the rest of your line of reason.

2) The problem I referred to, YOUNG homosexuals hitting on younger, naive and inexperienced kids, you completely ignored. This is a huge problem that would come from normalization. Kids already go through a ton of anxiety when they go through puberty. "Am I going to be liked by girls? Will I fit in? Will I meet my own expectations?"
When a young boy gets hit on by an older boy, it is going to raise doubts in his mind. "Why me? Do I look gay? Maybe I am?" when in fact, the kid is normal.

This is a huge issue and you seemed to ignore it.
58 posted on 09/27/2005 1:17:57 PM PDT by Paloma_55 (Which part of "Common Sense" do you not understand???)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Sorry, that no longer holds water with me. For 23 years I have worked to see conservative principles enacted in my local republican party(s). Now the libs have taken over the National Party and are nothing more then Democrat Lite. If that's what the Republican party is, then it's no longer the party for me. I'll find a group that I can support without seeing my national party whore itself for votes.

We are in 100% agreement, and in much the same boat. I don't buy into the Party Line crap anymore. There are plenty here that would say I never did, but they are fools on a fools errand. Blackbird.

59 posted on 09/27/2005 4:53:02 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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To: Paloma_55
1) I did not see anyone make the argument that "all homosexuals are child rapists", thus, its hard to proceed much along the rest of your line of reason.

Then you must not read what you post. Fine, ignore what I say, you are only hurting yourself.

60 posted on 09/27/2005 7:23:17 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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