With world watching, trial starts

The York Dispatch ^ | 9/26/2005 | CHRISTINA KAUFFMAN

[Right Wing Professor]

Let the games begin!

[Right Wing Professor]

The first dispatch from the Eastern Front.

[stuartcr]

This is an incredible waste of time and money...trying to prove the unprovable.

[RadioAstronomer]

bttt

[PatrickHenry]

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[PatrickHenry]

Here's a link to the official website of the court where Kitzmiller, et al v. Dover School District, et al. is being tried. If you click on Docket, you get a list of all significant pleadings filed in the case -- the complaint, the answer, etc. They're PDF files, but almost everyone has the Adobe reader. So you can check that website and be fully up to date on the history of the case.

[MineralMan]

It seems pretty clear to me that the ID folks will not prevail in this case. The attempts to separate ID from creationism are doomed to failure, and that will be an end to this debate.

If a "higher being" did the design work, then those making that argument are going to be asked to identify what sort of being that might have been. They'll hem and haw and finally have to admit that it's a deity. Which deity? Well, any would do, since every religion has a creation myth of some kind. Are all deities equal? Did they form a committee to design the universe?

Are they all the same deity with different names, then?

Then the big question comes: How would science investigate a deity? Well, that would be impossible, of course, since a deity is obviously supernatural and out of the realm of scientific investigation.

So, no evidence for this "higher being" exists? Nope. Case over.

[Evacuee]

For crying out loud, public schools can't even teach children to read!!! How are they supposed to teach intelligent design, creationism, evolution, or anything?

[narby]

The parents, along with the American Civil Liberties Union and Americans United for the Separation of Church and State

Proof that even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

[bkepley]

"Our interest is whether there is anything in this (intelligent design). Is it an American affair and is it going to come over here (the UK)?"

I think your interest is in feeling superior to Americans.

By the way, outside of the Free Republic I have heard nothing, zilch about this thing. No one I know has ever mentioned it. It's only a big deal among a few Americans and the British reporters who gather to laugh at them.

[agere_contra]

Agreed. God doesn't need lawyers to prove He exists: if He wanted us to know Him and love Him then He would enter creation as one of us! Hey God we're waiting! ... oh, hang on ...

[Right Wing Professor]

By the way, outside of the Free Republic I have heard nothing, zilch about this thing. No one I know has ever mentioned it. It's only a big deal among a few Americans and the British reporters who gather to laugh at them

There was a piece on it on NPR this morning. There are also front page articles in the Washington Post, New York Times, CNN, and FOXnews.

[MineralMan]

"There was a piece on it on NPR this morning. There are also front page articles in the Washington Post, New York Times, CNN, and FOXnews."

See. There ya go. It's being completely ignored by the MSM, for sure. This should be an interesting case, but I don't expect it will end up the way the school board wants it to end up.

[PatrickHenry]

There was a piece on it on NPR this morning. There are also front page articles in the Washington Post, New York Times, CNN, and FOXnews.

And the cover of Time magazine a week or two ago.

[MineralMan]

"By the way, outside of the Free Republic I have heard nothing, zilch about this thing. No one I know has ever mentioned it. It's only a big deal among a few Americans and the British reporters who gather to laugh at them.
"

Perhaps you should get offline more often then, and read a little, or even watch a little TV news. It has been covered, is being covered, and will be covered. Or...you could come here are read the coverage.

[Dimensio]

And the cover of Time magazine a week or two ago.

But did Agapepress pick it up? I think not!

(Actually, I don't know)

[Right Wing Professor]

This should be an interesting case, but I don't expect it will end up the way the school board wants it to end up.

I agree, and I think the Discovery Institute knows this. One of the key skills in lawyering is to choose your battles carefully. This is about the worst case to argue the ID side; there are paper trials proving religious motivation on the part of the school board members, and showing that the textbook they adopted (Of Pandas and People) simply took the word 'creationism' in their final draft and replaced it with 'intelligent design'.

[shuckmaster]

There's been a few very short blurbs on the cable news channels today. Advocates say life is to complex not to be designed... Scientist's say it's creationism by another name...

[connectthedots]

Will be interested in seeing the proof that the evolutionary process leads to the appearance of new species.

Is there a witness list for this trial?

[bkepley]

There was a piece on it on NPR this morning. There are also front page articles in the Washington Post, New York Times, CNN, and FOXnews.

Ok, I take it back. The whole world is watching.... Sorry, doesn't work for me. It's an American thing and I doubt the average say Japanese is much interested.