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Biased AP Poll Oversamples Democrats by 9 Points, Again
Ipsos Public Affairs ^

Posted on 09/09/2005 4:37:18 PM PDT by new yorker 77

AP Question: Do you consider a Democrat, Republican, Independent, or None of These?

Result:

*Half the respondents were polled at the end of the survey (NOTE: ANY POLLSTER WILL TELL YOU THIS IS WHEN THEY ARE MOST HONEST)

51% Democrat 42% Republican

OVERSAMPLING DEMS BY 9 POINTS

Are you a registered voter?

Yes 76% No 23%

60% of registered voters voted in 2004.

60% of 76 is 45.6%

54.4% of the people in this poll will never vote

REMEMBER: FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: apipsos; deceit; mediabias; poll
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It never escapes me when fake polls try to come to the rescue for biased liberals.

No need to check CBS/NY Slimes or Pew.

RASMUSSEN: Bush job Approval: 46% 'national adults', 49% 'likely voters'

1 posted on 09/09/2005 4:37:21 PM PDT by new yorker 77
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To: new yorker 77
Zogby has to be near the top for skewing polls.
2 posted on 09/09/2005 4:39:22 PM PDT by Holly_P
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To: Holly_P
"Zogby has to be near the top for skewing polls."

Of course you realize that Zogby is of Middle East extraction, and adamantly against the deployment of our troops into Iraq.

3 posted on 09/09/2005 4:41:59 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Holly_P

Zogby is a palestinian schill.


4 posted on 09/09/2005 4:42:11 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Pitchforks and Lanterns..with a smiley face!)
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To: new yorker 77
Yeah, allways interesting to watch the "polls". Allways seem to go the way the Dinosaur Media's latest story line is going. Wonder why? Wonder why we go months and months and never hear anything about polls then suddenly it seems their a poll a week? Could it be the polls that DO NOT support the lates Dinasour Media spin lie are spiked as "Unnewsworthy"? Always good to keep Rass in mind for a breath of sanity
5 posted on 09/09/2005 4:42:22 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Professional Journalism- the Buggy Whip makers of the 21st century)
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To: new yorker 77

These polls set the samples by the self-identification of dems. There may be more people identifying themselves as dems these days.


6 posted on 09/09/2005 4:43:14 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: HitmanNY

I just got a hold of CBS poll sample. This is hysterical.

I have to post it seperately.


7 posted on 09/09/2005 4:45:20 PM PDT by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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I just got a hold of CBS poll sample. This is hysterical.
I have to post it seperately.

Please ping me when you do.....

8 posted on 09/09/2005 4:48:59 PM PDT by The SISU kid (Politicians are like Slinkies. Good for nothing. But you smile when you push them down the stairs)
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To: new yorker 77
Then go ahead and sound off on this poll:

Feel free to "comment" about the poll when asked.

9 posted on 09/09/2005 4:57:25 PM PDT by weegee (The lesson from New Orleans? Smart Growth kills. You can't evacuate dense populations easily.)
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To: Holly_P

That's why I call such manufactured news Zogbyism and Bull Zogby.

The skewed election day results were an attempt to swap the 2004 election.


10 posted on 09/09/2005 4:59:10 PM PDT by weegee (The lesson from New Orleans? Smart Growth kills. You can't evacuate dense populations easily.)
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To: HitmanNY

All polls do not use the same methods to arrive at weighting BUT, I can dispute your claim.

Carville's own group has conducted studies recently. They have stated while Republicans popularity has fallen, Democrats have fallen more. They haven't been able to pick up dissatisfied voters. So it just isn't believeable 9% more identify with Democrats now based on even James Carville's own studies.


11 posted on 09/09/2005 5:03:21 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Barbour/Honore in '08)
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To: new yorker 77

Fake polls? We'd better get some overweight "documentary" film maker to do a huge expose on this national scandal! LOL.


13 posted on 09/09/2005 5:17:24 PM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: Soul Seeker

According to Scott Rasmussen, who got the 2004 and 2002 election right, Bush has polled from 43% to 50% among national adults all year.

An average of 46.5%, which is similar to today's result.

He also states that 'likely voter models have Bush 3 points higher.

This means Bush's Job Approval is about 49.5% among likely voters. This is down 2.5 points from Election Day 2004.

Not bad considering the media onslaught.

Also, keep this in mind.

Bill Clinton averaged 65% approval in 1996 in all lib polls.

He got 49.2% on election day 1996.

It is media bias inflation.


14 posted on 09/09/2005 5:20:58 PM PDT by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: HitmanNY

"These polls set the samples by the self-identification of dems. There may be more people identifying themselves as dems these days."


Like they did for the Exit Pollsters in 2004?! Give me a break!


15 posted on 09/09/2005 5:32:55 PM PDT by DrDeb
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To: Soul Seeker
"Carville's own group has conducted studies recently. They have stated while Republicans popularity has fallen, Democrats have fallen more. They haven't been able to pick up dissatisfied voters. So it just isn't believeable 9% more identify with Democrats now based on even James Carville's own studies."

An astute observation. I see Klink trying to run Hillary's campaign using Snakehead as his Svengali, and I see Hillary resisting almost all of their advice.

16 posted on 09/09/2005 5:36:57 PM PDT by StAnDeliver
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To: new yorker 77
Unfortunate that this is how how its bee done by the MSM. However, this type of error also provides an advantage in that it underestimates us. This is why the Dems go crazy because they can't understand why we pull off election victories. And of course it fuels their accusations of fraud and conspiracy, making themselves look unattractive to the avg joe voter.

(Gotta make some lemonaid, ay!)

17 posted on 09/09/2005 6:50:45 PM PDT by right-wingin_It
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To: new yorker 77; Iam1ru1-2; MNJohnnie; HitmanNY; weegee; Soul Seeker; Texas4ever1776; TNCMAXQ; ...
Don't feel so bad. It is just an AP/Ipsos 'pollitorial' after all...

Just to add to the media polling bias, here is the recent history of the "ever-reliable" AP/Ipsos polls (January - September 2005) and their political Party ID sample composition for each poll. The AP/Ipsos polls push Independents to identify with either Republicans or Democrats, only the 'hard-core' remain as self-identified 'Independents'...

This is an mixed ADULTS and Registered Voters poll, not just registered voters. Note the consistant gap in the party ID between Democrats and Republicans, strange given the the 2004 Presidential Election exit polls identified 37% Republicans, 37% Democrats and 26% Independents among the voting American public. The Republicans have achieved voter self-indentification parity with the Democrats for the first time since the late 1920s.

This series of AP/Ipsos poll result on Presidential job approval and the American public views on the 'direction of the country' was as always based on a skewed demographic sample that averages 41% Republican, 49% Democrat and 10% Independent composition. I think that when the AP poll fails to get the results they desire, they 'play' with both the registered voters composition and vary the un-registered voter portion of the poll sample. Since the Registered voter portion of the poll averages around 79% and the 'breathing' voter averages around 21% you can see they have quite a bit of "statistical slack" to play with to get the results they require...


Presidential Approval Ratings
AP/Ipsos monthly Polls
(n~1,002 ± 3.1%)


  September August July June May April March February January
Republicans 42% 39% 42% 40% 42% 41% 39% 39% 43%
Democrats 48% 48% 51% 50% 49% 48% 47% 52% 49%
Independents 10% 13% 7% 10% 9% 11% 14% 9% 8%
Total: 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100%
                   
Registered 76% 79% 77% 80% 79% 82% 78% 76% 80%
Breathing 24% 21% 23% 20% 21% 18% 22% 24% 20%
Total: 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100%
                   
Approve 39% 42% 42% 43% 47% 44% 48% 45% 49%
Disapprove 59% 55% 56% 55% 51% 54% 50% 54% 49%
Total: 98% 97% 98% 98% 98% 98% 98% 99% 98%


Note: The AP/Ipsos polls are published in PDF format and become unavailable after one month. You must be a 'premium' member to access those PDF files on their web site. No consistant links are provided for that reason. The September AP/Ipsos poll is listed below.

Source: AP-Ipsos Poll, September 6-8, 2005 Project #81-5139-54

Hope this helps,

dvwjr

18 posted on 09/09/2005 6:51:19 PM PDT by dvwjr
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To: new yorker 77
Bush approval numbers; 51% of votes cast in 2004 Presidential election.

Case closed.

19 posted on 09/09/2005 6:54:05 PM PDT by NewLand (Posting against liberalism since the 20th century!)
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To: dvwjr

Thanks for always being on top of this dvwjr.


20 posted on 09/09/2005 6:55:30 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Professional Journalism- the Buggy Whip makers of the 21st century)
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