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CAIR Founded by “Islamic Terrorists”?--CAIR cuts back on crucial libel claims

1 posted on 07/28/2005 9:22:30 AM PDT by TheOtherOne
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While I am glad that they have made this move, actions still speak louder than words.

Once we start seeing a massive purge of known terrorists from the mosques, I will believe that they are serious, and not just giving lip service.

44 posted on 07/28/2005 10:03:35 AM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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First, as others have mentioned, it's perfectly permissible for Muslims to lie to non-Muslims to gain advantage in war, which is what I believe is the intent of this statement and others like it. Second, they always leave themselves an out, and in this case it is in the definition of "civilian". According to Islam, an unborn Israeli baby is not a civilian. And I doubt a New York office worker is a civilian by their definition, either.


45 posted on 07/28/2005 10:03:47 AM PDT by thoughtomator (frotho ergo sum)
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My take on the initials 'CAIR' is =

Control America & Islam Rules.

This is what I believe these, so called,
allies of ours in the MUSLUM community believe.

These, so called, allies who cheered when the
Towers and Pentagon were attacked are never
going to be believed by me till they denounce
their vile Islam and it's prophet. Since this
will never happen, why would I believe anything
from those who are taught to deceive and / or
lie to the infidel. They in the religion of
Islam can kiss my rear.


47 posted on 07/28/2005 10:06:22 AM PDT by From One - Many
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Ha ha, that's funny. They're banking on the fact that few "infidels" have actually read the Koran.

We have. It's quite clearly laid out for all to see.


53 posted on 07/28/2005 10:15:27 AM PDT by Zechariah_8_13 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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In the statement, called a fatwa, the 18-member Fiqh Council of North America wrote that people who commit terrorism in the name of Islam were "criminals, not 'martyrs.'"

Well there you have it. A fatwa from the fiqh-wads. Go back to sleep now. Nothing to worry about here.

55 posted on 07/28/2005 10:17:26 AM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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I think that they are beginning to see the writing on the wall. CAIR and the muslim community's inability to recognize and assimilate the founding documents of this country, including the 1st Amendment which guarantees Christians and Jews to worship as they please without jihadist interference, could likely result in fallout from the 2nd Amendment.
56 posted on 07/28/2005 10:21:50 AM PDT by markedman (Lay me down to a watery grave)
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American Muslim scholars who interpret religious law for their community issued an edict Thursday condemning terrorism against civilians in response to the wave of deadly attacks in Britain and other countries.

In other news, the sun turned purple today. Seriously, whether they are lying or not, it has to have some effect on the Muslim community when their leaders speak out publicly against terrorism. It's better than what they WERE doing which was nothing. I'm going to be cautiously optimistic about this.

61 posted on 07/28/2005 10:35:06 AM PDT by hopperbach (hopperbach.blogspot.com - news and views from a baroque hare)
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"American Muslim scholars" have complete latitude in Islam to lie to infidels.

They just don't have enough people here yet to change their public tune.

63 posted on 07/28/2005 10:50:52 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers three choices: submit, kill, or be killed.)
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Leaders of major American Muslim organizations have taken pains since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks to condemn terrorism and deny any religious justification for it

They have? Funny how I must've missed all of it.

Gee, does this new non-violent, protect-the-civilian thinking on the part of the Muslims even extend to the eeevil Jooozze??

64 posted on 07/28/2005 10:59:53 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (I am an Americanist. Deal with it.)
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To: All

Much Too Little.

Much Too Late.

A.A.C.

"Let the Final Crusade commence!"


66 posted on 07/28/2005 11:02:27 AM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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"There is no justification in Islam for extremism or terrorism," the scholars wrote. "Targeting civilians' life and property through suicide bombings or any other method of attack is haram - or forbidden."

Evidently they have not read their own koran where it says, numerous times, words to the effect of "...kill them (non-moslems) wherever you find them."

Of course, to a moslem, it's not "terrorism" to just kill non-moslems, it's a virtue.

71 posted on 07/28/2005 11:19:56 AM PDT by nightdriver
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Seems ironic to me that there are two or three threads like this on the 'air' about Islam rejecting terror. Especially right after Tancredo's message about Mecca etc. Maybe it's just a coincident.
74 posted on 07/28/2005 11:32:52 AM PDT by fish hawk (hollow points were made to hold pig lard)
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American Muslim Scholars Call Terrorism a Violation of Islamic Teaching

Actually, it's an execution of Islamic teaching.

77 posted on 07/28/2005 11:47:39 AM PDT by Smile-n-Win (Don't let them take things away from you on behalf of the public good!)
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Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

78 posted on 07/28/2005 11:53:11 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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Here is all you need to know:


"Islamic United Nations representatives blocked an attempt to have the world body condemn killing in the name of religion.

The intent was for the U.N. Human Rights Commission "to condemn calls to kill, to terrorize or to use violence in the name of God or any religion."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45479


79 posted on 07/28/2005 11:57:08 AM PDT by OK
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" . . . . or any other method of attack is haram - or forbidden.""

Well, there it is. The qualifying word. They don't 'attack,' they are just defending themselves against the encroaching infidels. And of course, when you are defending yourself, you just have to kill everybody in sight lest there be an attacking infidel in the crowd disguised as a pre-teen, baby, or woman -- even if you have to fly across the continent looking for a crowd of attackers to defend yourself against.

Sorry, Abdul. No sale.

81 posted on 07/28/2005 11:57:49 AM PDT by Eastbound
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This needs to be heard from each and every Moslem individually. 1.2 billion such statements. Of course, they are allowed to lie to infidels, so take it with a grain of salt when it happens.


82 posted on 07/28/2005 11:59:48 AM PDT by RightWhale (Substance is essentially the relationship of accidents to itself)
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From Jihad Watch:

This document means nothing. It can mean nothing. It was issued to satisfy, or at least in the hope of satisfying, the growing suspicion of non-Muslims, a suspicion that might lead, quite dangerously, to too many Infidels learning about Islam in too great detail, and might even begin to learn about taqiyya and kitman and all the rhetorical tricks (selective quotation, tu-quoque, insistence that the Qur'an alone matters and the Hadith and Sira do not, insistence that the principles of Qur'anic interpretation -- such as naskh or abrogation) that are routinely used by that small army of apologists for Islam, both Muslim and non-Muslim, who are abroad in the land.

That CAIR was chosen to issue it, after the statements made in the past by a number of people who have been closely associated with it, even served as high officials in the organization, tells us all we need to know.

Is Jihad abandoned? Is the desire to turn this country into a Muslim country abandoned, or is the goal of having Islam dominate, and Muslims rule, still very much the animating impulse of Muslims here, there, and everywhere.

This is a pitiful document, but not so pitiful that it will not be greeted with delight by the editorial writers of The New Duranty Times and The Bandar Beacon. So be it.

The dogs bark. The caravan -- headed straight to the bookstore to buy books by Ibn Warraq, Robert Spencer, Bat Ye'or, and others -- moves on.


85 posted on 07/28/2005 12:11:08 PM PDT by tomahawk (Proud to be an enemy of Islam (check out www.prophetofdoom.net))
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Well, it's a start, although I wonder if this is going to have any practical effect, other than getting a couple of these guys' on some Islamonazi hit lists.

Or maybe it's just taqqiya. Or is that taqiyya? Or tapioca?

}:-)4


86 posted on 07/28/2005 12:16:58 PM PDT by Moose4 (Newsflash: It's the South. In the summer. IT GETS HOT. DEAL WITH IT.)
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Oh YEAH???

I'll never believe their "We're peaceful" crap...even if it were in ARABIC!

Too much has happened...they are a Cancer on the anus of the Earth!

87 posted on 07/28/2005 12:23:44 PM PDT by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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