American Muslim Scholars Call Terrorism a Violation of Islamic Teaching

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[TheDon]

It is the American way for people to condemn acts that no one would think they supported. Hence, President Bush, Senators, Congressmen all issue statements condemning acts of terrorism. And we all say to ourselves, well of course.

The only thing wrong with American Muslim organizations has been that they often refused to make such statements because they felt insulted to have to do so. Kind of a guilty until proven innocent point of view. That has been a public relations failure on their part. I'm glad they have finally taken my advice and made the obligatory statements.

[weegee]

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=9981

A Bad Day for CAIR
By Evan McCormick
FrontPageMagazine.com | September 24, 2003


September 10th, 2003 will forever be remembered as a grim day for the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR). On that day, the eve of the second anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, CAIR faced up to its own terrorist connections. It ran away from testifying before an influential Senate panel that heard a barrage of incriminating evidence about the group and its connections. It saw one of its former officials plead guilty to terrorist-related crimes in Federal Court. And, it was stood up by two Department of Justice officials at an immigration symposium in Florida. CAIR should find it hard to recover from this string of defeats...

[Borges]

Looked at that way it does makes more sense.

[Mr. Keys]

I'll never believe anything they have to say. Too many condemnations of terrorism quickly followed by BUT or ALTHOUGH ! Actions speak louder than false words and we've seen too many actions of ISLAMIC terrorists.

[headsonpikes]

Too little, too late. This should have been done right after 9-11.

But it was!!! They've spent almost 4 years debating this issue - it was a close-run thing, evidently.

Fortunately, no one employed the well-known 'jihadi filibuster', or suicide bomb.

[swarthyguy]

Methinks the populace has a skepticism now that has become ingrained and IMO, certainly justified.

Partly due to London, which is emotionally closer to the US than probably any other place, , any Muslim protestations will increasingly fall on deaf ears as most Americans,IMO, don't really want to know more or devote any time to thinking about Islam (They are sick of it) , any more London attacks and the cliche, too little, too late will apply.

[Iron Matron]

Not quite as eloquent as Shakespeare's version:

I know Shakespeare's version and it is very eloquent..Romeo spoke of his Juliet as a rose...but to quote so beautifully about islam?

Islam is $hit..so my version works much better. Thanks anyway.

[weegee]

What of jihad?

The distinction between terrorism and allout war can be in the mind of the fanatic.

Jihad does NOT mean struggle, it means holy war.

Ask The Imam - keyword "jihad"

Specifically:

I wish to inquire as to what the arabic term for holy war is. In the media that I came across lately, Jihad was used as term of reference which I understand is incorrect.

The Arabic equivalent for holy war is Jihaad.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

If the jihad in Palestine is true Jihad where everyone is supposed to go why is it no one is going to fight...

recently I've been talkin' to ‘jihadis’, who say if Islam brings me peace, I have chosen the wrong religion, they say blood of kafir is halal, it is permissible to kill any nonmuslim

The statement, 'promoted killing of non-Muslims' is vague and sweeping and is very much open to misinterpretation. Yes, Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) promoted the killing of these non-Muslims who are actively engaged in destroying Islam and the Muslims. This is the command of Allah Ta'ala Himself in the Qur'aan. This type of killing is not simply permissible, but commendable and worthy of reward. This does not mean that Islam teaches to kill all non-Muslims.

If, for example, a Muslim intentionally kills a non-Muslim citizen of the Islamic state, then in retribution the Muslim's life will be taken. This indicates that even the life of a non-Muslim is sanctified, if he does not oppose Islam and the Muslims.

When all "states" are Muslim states, non-muslims will finally be safe < /sarcasm >

[ArmyTeach]

Interesting concept. Violence (terrorism)is acceptable against an occupying power. Considering that Muslims are attempting to effect an occupation of Europe (and Britain) in the name of Allah, are they saying that violence against Muslims would be justified by Europeans?

[weegee]

Their own ties reveal them to be liars.

I will post an excerpt from a long piece I read in Lester Bang's "new" book of older essays (he died in the early 1980s).

He tore apart a Bob Dylan song about a "misunderstood" mobster. In it (the part I will briefly transcribe), he mentions how in the 1960s or 1970s some mobsters created their own "Italian-American" PR organization to shield them from such "uncalled for" associations and skepticism.

Same proven technique.

[weegee]

Muslims are ALWAYS right, all other faiths are of lesser legal standing. Under Islamic law, Christian and Jews are of second tier status (they are still people "of the Book") whereas everyone else is on the lowly third tier.

[Iron Matron]

Methinks the populace has a skepticism now that has become ingrained and IMO, certainly justified

And Methinks muslimes decry violence when they fear for themselves...they dont like us knowing what and who they really are. But I do know. I lot of people know.

No amount of mealy mouthed words coming out of a muslimes mouth will ever change my mind.

[headsonpikes]

Howza bouta fatwa on this!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1452456/posts

That would be useful!

;^)

[kellynla]

I guess they got my email.

Well it took them long enough.
It's been 12 years since the first WTC bombing and 22 years since the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut.

Semper Fi,
Kelly

[weegee]

Funny thing about the political system that is Islam, it requires its religious followers to rise up when there are efforts made to reign in their violent extremism.

Sort of a failsafe. The more they radicalize, the more efforts are made to reign them in, the more attempts made to reign them in, the more Imam who agree that Jihad is called for.

NOTHING in their political philosophy addresses peaceful co-existence with other cultures in charge or tolerance of muslims who convert away from the faith.

Another failsafe from "tampering" is that Mohammed was "the last prophet". There can be no reformation movement because that would be heresy for another Imam to claim his changes are acceptable.

[E Rocc]

Jihad does NOT mean struggle, it means holy war.

You have one imam saying that. It's like having Fred Phelps interpret the Bible and say his views hold for all of Christianity. Other clerics have different interpretations.

-Eric

[Dolphan]

How they define terrorism and how we define terrorism are worlds apart.

They say "we are against the killing of innocents."

What they don't tell you, of course, is that no non-Muslim is innocent.

[libs_kma]

"Nope. It's okay to lie to us infidels, and they do..."

In that book that should be flushed down the toilet more often, there are plenty of mentions of "smite the neck of infidel", "kidnap their family", "charge tax for all non-beleivers"...

Many more passages that call for killing non-beleivers. Yet, they would have us beleive, actually they would probably be surprised if we do beleive, that they are better than rabid dogs.

It's been said that 10% of them are extremists and out of 1.5 billion thats a bug number. Even 1% represents a higher number than I want to see running onto my bus with a C-4 vest.

But if they keep bleating that they are a religion of peace, then where are these terrorists learning it?

[weegee]

Actions speak louder than words. If the violent followers, their mosques, and clerics really are on the wrong path, there should be no harm in exposing them and eliminating them from contaminating more young minds.

Peaceful muslims would do well to aid in ridding the world of such cultists. Of course some have already surrendered to the extremists out of fear of retribution. Other silently agree with the goals.

Evil thrives when good men do nothing.

Signing a petition doesn't count as a solution.

[foreshadowed at waco]

I think that very religious Muslims (not extremists) will be able to use this proclamation to resist 'doing favors' for any extremists that might be part of their social community. My friend is married to a Muslim. She told me that part of the culture involves doing service to other Muslims. She also said that bin Laden and some other Islamofascist leaders had no legal authority to issue fatwas because they lack authority.

The problem with the moderate Muslim commmunity IMHO is that they are scared of speaking up. Extreme factions within the Muslim community are like the mob--the imams are almost like godfathers--there is a code of silence--there is no right or wrong only loyalty to the 'family'--I would imagine that many young men who get involved find that they can't get out when they want to leave--it's like the Bloods or the Crips--organized crime--betrayal of the group ethos means death. Really sad and super scary.