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Washington Post ^ | 7/11/05 | William Raspberry

Posted on 07/10/2005 8:24:42 PM PDT by Crackingham

The trouble with the Kentucky display of the Ten Commandments, said the Supreme Court, while approving a similar display in Texas, is that the it was motivated by a "predominantly religious purpose."

The trouble with the court's confusing -- some say absurd -- rulings, says Kevin "Seamus" Hasson of the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, is that they proceed from an impossible premise.

"The 'predominantly religious' test suggests that anything not predominantly secular must be religious. It in fact has strong anti -religious overtones."

Hasson, whose organization is devoted to defending the free expression of all religious traditions, believes the court -- and many of America's intellectuals and civil libertarians -- are missing the fact that expunging religion from public life is neither possible nor desirable.

"There's nothing in common sense -- and certainly nothing in the First Amendment -- that requires government hostility to publicly expressed religion, which is where the requirement that government be 'secular' takes you," he says. "I think it's better to say 'temporal' rather than secular. Temporal means the here and now, without reference to the hereafter. Our government was designed to be temporal, but you have only to look at the words and actions of the Founders to understand that they had no interest in the sort of secularity the court now seeks to enforce."

But it's not just in impossibly arcane Supreme Court decisions that "secular" plays us false, says Hasson. "It gets us in needless trouble internationally as well. The Arabic word for secular is almehni , meaning godless. So when Muslim fundamentalists hear us talk about secular government, they think we mean, quite literally, a godless government. Temporal translates into another Arabic word entirely, dunyawi , or worldly.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: mccreary; raspberry; religiousexpression; tencommandments
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1 posted on 07/10/2005 8:24:43 PM PDT by Crackingham
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To: Crackingham

BTTT


2 posted on 07/10/2005 8:27:43 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Crackingham
The Arabic word for secular is almehni , meaning godless.

Arabs are smart. It's only their religion that's stupid.

4 posted on 07/10/2005 8:31:19 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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later pingout.


5 posted on 07/10/2005 9:02:56 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: TruthInExile
Freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom FROM religion. People who deny God are, in my book, fair game.
They are clearly protected by the First Amendment.

-Eric

6 posted on 07/10/2005 9:12:15 PM PDT by E Rocc (Anyone who thinks Bush-bashing is banned on FR has never read a Middle East thread >:))
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Later pingout.


7 posted on 07/10/2005 10:04:13 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: little jeremiah

Note to self - stay away while pinging to self.


8 posted on 07/10/2005 10:06:42 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: TruthInExile
But...But... Hitler was a devout Catholic! </sarcasm>
9 posted on 07/10/2005 10:11:53 PM PDT by Lexinom (http://www.abort73.com)
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To: little jeremiah

Note to self - stay away while pinging to self.

I like reading your little notes to yourself sometimes.:)


10 posted on 07/10/2005 10:34:17 PM PDT by moog
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To: moog

You should hear me talk to myself. Someone listening would think I had a little tape recorder.

It helps me keep my brain damaged brain cells on track. Sort of.

I must be the most disorganized human on the planet. I would love to be able to live without sleeping - I'll never do everything i want to do!


11 posted on 07/10/2005 11:08:27 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: moog

Sheesh - another note - it was supposed to be "stay AWAKE" while pinging to self.

Note to self - PROOFREAD notes to self.

It is definitely time to do the tooth hygiene thing and put brain cells to bed.

'Night!!


12 posted on 07/10/2005 11:10:08 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: little jeremiah
You should hear me talk to myself. Someone listening would think I had a little tape recorder. It helps me keep my brain damaged brain cells on track. Sort of. I must be the most disorganized human on the planet. I would love to be able to live without sleeping - I'll never do everything i want to do!

I'm with you on that last part. I don't mind sleeping, but would love to be able to do everything that needs to get done. I've been going on fumes for years. I can't even remember the last time I used an alarm clock. My body wakes up about 5 hours after I go to sleep. It's almost like clockwork. Sometimes some of those people using those cellphones seem like they're talking to themselves.

13 posted on 07/10/2005 11:14:05 PM PDT by moog
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To: little jeremiah
Sheesh - another note - it was supposed to be "stay AWAKE" while pinging to self. Note to self - PROOFREAD notes to self. It is definitely time to do the tooth hygiene thing and put brain cells to bed. 'Night!!

You and me both. :) Have a good day.

14 posted on 07/10/2005 11:15:00 PM PDT by moog
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To: Crackingham
My ideal is a secular government with a religious culture. The ACLU wants an atheist government with a secular culture - and religion tolerated as a nuisance at best.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
15 posted on 07/11/2005 3:45:34 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: E Rocc

Do you mean to say that atheism is a religion which the first amendment protects the free exercise of?


16 posted on 07/11/2005 5:52:16 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe ("Our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people" - John Adams)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Do you mean to say that atheism is a religion which the first amendment protects the free exercise of?
It's absolutely a religious belief, no more or less entitled to protection, or subject to restriction, than any other set of beliefs.

I'm very much a Separationist but I do believe that the anti-religious often cross the line, using the power of government to suppress protected free expression. The Establishment cause does not mean government can't accomodate religious beliefs, it means it cannot do so on a preferential basis.

-Eric

17 posted on 07/11/2005 6:07:08 AM PDT by E Rocc (Anyone who thinks Bush-bashing is banned on FR has never read a Middle East thread >:))
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To: goldstategop
My ideal is a secular government with a religious culture.
As is inevitable in a free society, we have several cultures operating in parallel in this nation. Some are religious, some are secular.

A uniform culture requires government involvement, as only government may enforce rules on the population in general.

There are those who want precisely this to happen. Ironically, one of the largest groups is called the "multiculturalists".

-Eric

18 posted on 07/11/2005 6:13:06 AM PDT by E Rocc (Anyone who thinks Bush-bashing is banned on FR has never read a Middle East thread >:))
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To: E Rocc

So you support faith-based initiatives?


19 posted on 07/11/2005 6:14:16 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: E Rocc
They are clearly protected by the First Amendment.

Protected from what?

20 posted on 07/11/2005 6:43:48 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God)
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