Screw you, Pat.
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To: EveningStar; broadsword; Fred Nerks; jan in Colorado; ariamne; yer gonna put yer eye out; ...
Hear, hear, EveningStar; thanks for sharing this.
Just what we needed, Buchanan making Lawrence O'Donnell look reasonable.
97 posted on
05/11/2005 10:24:21 AM PDT by
Former Dodger
( "Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." --Einstein)
To: EveningStar
I simply can't read this guy. Proclaiming themselves wise, they became fools..
99 posted on
05/11/2005 10:25:19 AM PDT by
Paul_B
To: EveningStar
"Why destroy Hitler?"Why listen to you, Patricia?
This moron seriously needs to restudy history. And anyone who says that Nazism wasn't as bad as Communism should ask a Jew who survived the concentration camps what they think.
Also, part of the reason Hitler was able to invade France was because the US and its allies were leaving him alone. And he would have done it anyway, out of revenge for the way Germany was treated after WW 1. Not long ago there was a program on the History Channel detailing Hitler's secret plans for conquest. It's quite clear from his own writings that he wanted a war with the US.
102 posted on
05/11/2005 10:26:17 AM PDT by
WestVirginiaRebel
(Carnac: A siren, a baby and a liberal. Answer: Name three things that whine.)
To: EveningStar
Where is Pat wrong might I ask by the way?
To: EveningStar
"After all, the Germans voted Hitler in. "
um NOOOO idiot needs to read a history book
Hitler LOST his elections, he was APPOINTED by President Hindenburg to the Chancellorship. From there he eroded power and then had his "elections" which were similiar to Saddam Husseins elections.
I used to like Pat looks like he is senile
131 posted on
05/11/2005 10:52:20 AM PDT by
DM1
To: EveningStar
156 posted on
05/11/2005 11:18:50 AM PDT by
Recovering_Democrat
(I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
To: EveningStar
Pat is mourning his long gone, strutting poofter of a fuhrer. Pat wishes he was in the bunker in those last days...
To: EveningStar
Pat is right on when talks issues like secure borders and national sovereignty but when he writes columns such as this he makes it impossible to defend him.
To: EveningStar; Alouette; SJackson; A Jovial Cad
That is nothing new from Pat Buchanan. He has been spouting the kind of Nazi propaganda often issued by the older Nazis--very insidious--for a long time. And as the rest of his kind are, he is currently on the side of our terrorist enemies. Save the following for copying and pasting.
Buchanan referred to Capitol Hill as
"Israeli-occupied territory." (St. Louis Post Dispatch, 10/20/90)
During the Gulf crisis:
"There are only two groups that are beating the drums for war in the Middle East -- the Israeli defense ministry and its 'amen corner' in the United States." ("McLaughlin Group," 8/26/90)
In a 1977 column, Buchanan said that despite Hitler's anti-Semitic and genocidal tendencies, he was
"an individual of great courage...Hitler's success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path." (The Guardian, 1/14/92)
Writing of
"group fantasies of martyrdom," Buchanan challenged the historical record that thousands of Jews were gassed to death by diesel exhaust at Treblinka:
"Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide to kill anybody." (New Republic, 10/22/90)
Buchanan's columns have run in the Liberty Lobby's Spotlight, the German-American National PAC newsletter and other publications that claim Nazi death camps are a Zionist concoction. Buchanan called for closing the U.S. Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations, which prosecuted Nazi war criminals, because it was
"running down 70-year-old camp guards." (New York Times, 4/21/87)
Buchanan was vehement in pushing President Reagan -- despite protests -- to visit Germany's Bitburg cemetery, where Nazi SS troops were buried. At a White House meeting, Buchanan reportedly reminded Jewish leaders that they were
"Americans first" -- and repeatedly scrawled the phrase
"Succumbing to the pressure of the Jews" in his notebook. Buchanan was credited with crafting Ronald Reagan's line that the SS troops buried at Bitburg were
"victims just as surely as the victims in the concentration camps." (New York Times, 5/16/85; New Republic, 1/22/96
After Cardinal O'Connor criticized anti-Semitism during the controversy over construction of a convent near Auschwitz, Buchanan wrote:
"If U.S. Jewry takes the clucking appeasement of the Catholic cardinalate as indicative of our submission, it is mistaken. When Cardinal O'Connor of New York seeks to soothe the always irate Elie Wiesel by reassuring him 'there are many Catholics who are anti-Semitic'...he speaks for himself. Be not afraid, Your Eminence; just step aside, there are bishops and priests ready to assume the role of defender of the faith." (New Republic, 10/22/90
Pat Buchanan on History & Philosophy
Hitler was no threat to US; sought mastery of Europe only
Following his victory [over France in 1940], Hitler made no overt move to threaten US vital interests. As of mid-1940, his actions argue that beneath the overlay of Nazi ideology, he was driven by a traditional German policy of The Drive to the East. In this analysis, Hitler had not wanted war with the West. Hitler saw the world divided into four spheres: Great Britain holding its empire; Japan, dominant in East Asia; Germany, master of Europe; and America, mistress of the Western Hemisphere. Source: A Republic, Not an Empire, p.268-9 Oct 9, 1999
FDR forced Japan to attack US as back door to WWII
In early 1941, FDR froze all Japanese assets, cutting off trade, including oil. Without oil, the Japanese empire must wither & die.. The oil embargo was economic war against an oil-starved nation. FDR knew the consequences of an oil embargo & approved, because he wanted Japan to attack. A war with Japan was the only way he could take us to war in Europe. FDR seemed anxious to get into the war, [but was] elected on a promise to stay out, [so] FDR needed to maneuver Japan into firing the first shot. Source: A Republic, Not an Empire, p.285-7 Oct 9, 1999
American leaders obsessed with Jewish influence
In a chapter of his book criticizing the power of numerous American ethnic groups over foreign policy, Buchanan writes, After WWII, Jewish influence over foreign policy became almost an obsession with American leaders. Buchanan responded to critics that the observation was lifted from a complex criticism directed at numerous groups. One paragraph discussing the power of the Israeli lobby is not only legitimate, it is necessary, he declared.
Source: Francis X. Clines, New York Times, p. A20 Sep 21, 1999
Hitler was no direct threat to the US after 1940
In his book, Buchanan says that Hitler offered no physical threat to the US as of late 1940, after his defeat in the Battle of Britain. Buchanan questions whether Hitler sought war with the West or was driven to it. Hitler made no overt move to threaten US vital interests after his initial victories across Europe, Buchanan writes. Americans had no choice but to fight once Hitler declared war on the US, but Hitler was primarily interested in building an empire to the East, not westward toward toward the United States. Source: Francis X. Clines, New York Times, p. A20 Sep 21, 1999
To: EveningStar
Patrick J. Buchanan gets an awful lot of mileage out of being stupid.
188 posted on
05/11/2005 12:12:47 PM PDT by
hgro
(ews)
To: EveningStar
"I'll do anything, for a few hundred thousand per annum. Me and my sis will, that is."
"I'll write books, run for president, ridicule the party that used to pay me."
"I'll make nice talk about Adolph Hitler, for a few hundred thousand per year."
Next week Pat will feature his article about the nice Japanese, and the bad Americans.
It is part two in his America-the Bad Guys in WWII Series.
Available at discount book outlets, in a few places.
To: EveningStar
WWII, for the Western Democracies, was about trying to survive in a difficult world.
Chamberlain and Daladier would have liked to see the Russians and Germans destroy each other while they watched from the sidelines but couldn't make it happen. They went to war not to save Poland and eastern Europe but to try to contain Hitler's power before he became too strong. They failed there too - they were too slow to act.
FDR made a deal with Stalin at Yalta in recognition of the facts on the ground, a realpolitic deal. It's easy for arm chair generals to second guess him now, to say he gave away too much.
Arm chair generals are not highly respected - for good reason.
To: EveningStar
Pat has drawn the wrong conclusions. Rather than ask whether WWII was worth it, he should have asked why we stopped when we did.
Because of WWII, half of Europe was liberated and some of the worst atrocities in history were halted. It is absolutely absurd to think that Hitler wouldn't have taken over all of Western Europe and attacked the UK unless provoked by France and Britain. It's very clear that Hitler's plan was world domination -- he even had plans to attack the US eventually.
Yes, we failed to stop Soviet tyranny in half of Europe, and that was an abomination. But it's a downright leftist-flavored argument to claim that no loaf is better than half of one.
218 posted on
05/11/2005 12:51:21 PM PDT by
ellery
(The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts. - Edmund Burke)
To: EveningStar
Wow. I actually supported this clown in 96?
I left his party, several people who showed up to work the campaign were supporters of David Duke!
223 posted on
05/11/2005 1:07:24 PM PDT by
RaceBannon
((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
To: EveningStar
Pat gets dumber everyday.
224 posted on
05/11/2005 1:10:48 PM PDT by
Conspiracy Guy
(Caution. Contents under pressure.)
To: EveningStar; SJackson
Hmm, go read the article, he is not so off base as the cut and paste implies.
Not that I agree, but his point is valid: If liberating France meant a Communist Poland, why go to war at all?
If signing a peace treaty with England means Hitler proceeds west to claim territory, then why sign the treaty with England?
He is being too simplitic in his approach, but he has one valid point above all: Why in the world are we celebrating tossing Hitler out of Germany, when the end result was a worse dictator enslaving more nations than Hitler attacked and killing more people than Hitler did?
After reading the whole Article, I disagree with much of the disagreement; he is being provacative, but he is NOT calling the war on Hitler a mistake, he is calling our assessment of victory a mistake when the end result was the enslavement of more nations and people than Hitler tried to do himself.
226 posted on
05/11/2005 1:15:42 PM PDT by
RaceBannon
((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
To: EveningStar
I see Pat if elected, then its ok to take over the world. Pat you are an embarrassment. I use to admire you, and now your just another nut job.
To: EveningStar
I guess the pact between Japan and Nazi Germany did not mean squat to Pat. Especially after Pearl Harbor.
To: EveningStar
Not enough Jews died for Pat's taste. What a loon.
236 posted on
05/11/2005 1:53:56 PM PDT by
veronica
(CP = Jeffords Republicrats...)
To: EveningStar
If it was to keep Hitler out of Western Europe, why declare war on him and draw him into Western Europe?Silly me. I thought Hitler (mach shemo) had invaded Denmark, Norway, Belgium, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, France, North Africa, and the USSR (his former ally and moral equivalent) well before the US declared war on him (four days after Pearl Harbor).
Oh. I see. Buchanan meant that Britain and France "forced" Hitler (mach shemo) to invade all those countries (they provoked him by sitting there on the Maginot line and doing absolutely nothing during the period of Sitzkrieg). Don't the commies also claim we "made" them conquer so much of the world?
And this bastard is back in the Republican party, with all his Birchite/Lindbergh/Henry Ford hordes. Just what we needed!!!
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