Posted on 05/06/2005 9:58:46 AM PDT by eccentric
(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
Dead is Robert D. Hamlin, 42. He died about 8 o'clock Sunday evening after being hit in the back of the head by a shotgun blast.
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in addition to the boy and his father, others living at the home, less than a mile south of Humboldt, were Hamlin's wife, Debbie Hamlin, and four children other than the 10-year-old. Others are two boys, a girl and a granddaughter, who is the daughter of an older sibling who does not live there.
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apparently what occurred:
The 10-year-old had taken a bath while his father watched television from a couch in the front room of the Hamlin home. Meanwhile, Debbie Hamlin and the others were outdoors.
That's when Hamlin, apparently never aware that he was threatened, was shot in the back of the head and slumped onto the couch. Those outdoors heard the report of the shotgun's discharge, but were not altogether sure what had happened.
Then, the 10-year-old boy, wearing only underwear that he had pulled on after bathing, came from the house carrying a shotgun -- it later was found to be a 20 gauge -- and acted in a threatening enough manner that Debbie Hamlin sent the children scurrying to safety.
A boy and girl ran to Dorcas Romary's nearby home and the oldest of the boys, 15-year-old Jacob, slipped past the 10-year-old and into the house, along with the granddaughter, who is little more than a toddler.
The mother, feeling threatened and apparently thinking her children and granddaughter were secure, got into a pickup truck and drove to the Romary home, to join the two siblings.
Meanwhile, the boy, locked from the home, walked or ran north along a section of old U.S. 69 that once was along the east of the Monarch Cement Company plant about a quarter of a mile to the home Ron and Carolyn Moore. Moore is a former Allen County sheriff, having stepped down in January 2001 after 16 years in office.
As the Register reported Monday, the Moores took in the boy, removed the shotgun from him in gentle enough manner that he wasn't disturbed, fed and clothed him and called authorities.
Sheriff Tom Williams arrived a little later, by himself as Moore encouraged to keep the boy from becoming agitated, and took the boy away. The boy was taken to the juvenile detention center in Girard, where he remains today.
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the 10-year-old boy, a fourth-grader at Humboldt Elementary School, apparently was alone in the house with his father when the shooting occurred
"There stood this poor, scared, half-naked little boy saying 'Help me, help me. Hide me. They're after me,'" Moore said. "I could see the fear in his eye. He said, 'They're going to get me and spank me hard.'"
On Wednesday, Allen County authorities said the 10-year-old boy was charged with first-degree murder in the shotgun slaying of his father. Robert D. Hamlin, 43, was found dead Sunday night at his home near Humboldt.
"The child said, 'I done something really bad,'" Moore said, recalling their conversation. "And I said, `What did you do?'
"He said, 'I shot my dad.'"
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The father, according to Moore, "would do anything in the world for you. He was an extremely hard worker and took care of his family." She said he worked at a local factory.
Hamlin was sitting on the living room couch when he was shot in the back of the head with a 20-gauge pump shotgun.
His wife, Debbie, and two younger children fled to another neighbor after the shooting. Two other children were coming out of the house when deputies arrived, Sheriff Tom Williams said. He said he did not know the other children's ages.
The boy then walked up the road to Moore's home, carrying the shotgun with one unfired shell, authorities said.
"We believe it to be the weapon and we'll be testing evidence to show conclusively that it was the shotgun," Williams said before the hearing Wednesday. "We are investigating this as a criminal offense. We are looking at anything that relates to motive."
During Wednesday's hearing, windows on the courtroom door were covered with paper, Judge Dan Creitz ordered all parties not to talk about the case.
Allen County Attorney Jerry Hathaway said the order would prohibit any public comments about the matter and that no announcement would be made of court proceedings.
The boy did not stand out at Humboldt Elementary School, according to Superintendent Bob Heigele.
"He fit in well with our school and he didn't have any more problems than any other student in the fourth grade," Heigele said. "He was a typical boy. I saw him around and it appeared he was well-liked."
Until now, this town of nearly 2,000 was known mainly as the birthplace of pitching legend Walter "Big Train" Johnson, inducted in the National Baseball Hall of Fame in 1936.
It's a quiet town, about 100 miles southwest of Kansas City, where people have trouble remembering the last murder. Some say it was in the 1960s; other think it was earlier.
Many residents expressed sympathy for the boy, as well as the family.
"The little guy did something really wrong, but he needs help," said liquor store owner Janie Hutson. "He probably needs treatment more than he needs punishment."
Is a child born bad and learns to be good? Or is a child born good and learns to be bad? I wonder.
Williams says he has not determined what was behind the
shooting. But he says he believes there was reason for Hamlin's
wife to have been fearful enough to flee to safety when she learned
her husband had been shot.
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The boy apparently picked up a shotgun the family kept in their home, placed it to the back of his father's head and shot him, according to local television station KAKE.
"The boy made some initial indications to other family members that he was also going to shoot the mother," Allen County Sheriff Tom Williams told the station.
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Authorities say the ten year-old picked up a shotgun from inside this house walked up behind his father who was sitting on the couch and shot him in the back of the head. The boys older brother tried to wrestle the gun from the boy. He couldn't and the ten year then threatened his mother. She ran to safety at a neighbors house. When authorities got there they found the boy a quarter of a mile down the road at another neighbors house. The boy still had the shotgun in his possession.
"I was the one that made contact with him at the neighbors house. He was fairly cool and calm about the entire thing and told me what he had done," says Allen County Sheriff Tom Williams.
The family has four children; three boys and girl. The father, 42 year-old Robert Hamlin, worked for a gas drilling company. The ten year-old is being held at a juvenile detention center. Authorities say they will pursue criminal charges.
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You must not read my Bible...
Romans 7:7ff-
7What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet."[b] 8But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from law, sin is dead. 9Once I was alive apart from law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death.
11For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good. 13Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through what was good, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.
14We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God's law; 23but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. 24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
Paul is talking, here, about you and me!
Brother Paul Johansen, at Elim Bible Institute, used the phrase "searing the conscience". What he meant is that after repeatedly going against that "inner voice", and doing your "thing", it becomes more difficult, each time again, to hear that voice!
He was adopted from this woman's daughter. Biologically he's their grandson but they adopted him and raised him as their son.
They also need to see what video games this killer was playing.
That is not what Freepertwo stated. Freepertwo stated: It says that humans are born bad
I was pointing out how Freepertwo is wrong and how that way of thinking can lead to distasters.
Interesting how you want to blame anything, or anyone other than the person who actually committed the crime in question.
Could you please quote me some Scripture which says that? I disagree with your interpretation.
My Bible clearly states that we are at "enmity" with God! It states that we are born sinners. It states that we can overcome that bent, only with God's assistance, through His Holy Spirit.
...am I wrong?
Freepertwo is correct in his Biblical interpretation. You may think that people are good, but there is enough evidence to overturn your views...
Disasters are caused by men trying to be/play/ignore God!
Men and women started playing God when they invented the concepts of religion and government. Therefore anything said by those religions and governments that claim to speak for God is false.
You want to view humans as only being evil, go right ahead, but I know seen and know better. And if it not only arrogant, but sadistic as well for you to think that humans are only born evil.
Okay, now you know that's just not possible around here.
I'm taking bets. Before this thread has run its course, the father will have been an alcoholic, cross-dressing pedophile who regularly beat his wife, son, and Dalmatian dog, and the mother will be a sex-starved, inbred, pill-popping co-pedophile who routinely (and selfishly) locked her son in the closet to "save for later," particularly when her husband was on a drunken rampage and wanting the son all to himself. :-)
You want to view humans as only being evil, go right ahead, but I know seen and know better. And if it not only arrogant, but sadistic as well for you to think that humans are only born evil.
Thank you Mr. Humanist. I would rather worship the Creator, not the creation.
You have "seen and know better"?
Did you see the kids exiting the schools at Columbine? Did you read about the kid that blew his dads brains out? Should I continue ad nauseum?
You must live a very sheltered life...
Look around you more!
...signed, not a cynic. Just an observer!
Yep. Or an alcoholic.
I know from personal experience that babies born with fetal alcohol syndrome (the ones I am aware of came from the former Soviet Union and the adoptive parents were clueless) show the same type of behavior - some types of problems with the emotional part of their brain and they are violent. Even at a very young age. I won't go into details about my friend's situation, but I told her she was a far better person than I because I would have nulled the adoption in fear of my life. And I would have.
Awesome movie!
I caught that, as well.
Hell, there are mothers who know their grown sons commit heinous crimes against community and nature and they deliberately lie to police and others to protect them. They never admit their "babies" ever did anything wrong.
I'm thinking this kid probably brought them hell his whole life and they tried and tried to be parents to him, but rather then admit he should be institutionalized, they kept him at home.
If this is the case, then the wife / mother may be feeling tremendous guilt. Perhaps the husband wanted to get rid of the kid and the wife insisted not. Too many variables, but I'm thinking the wife/mother is demonstrating feelings of guilt and it's not her fault.
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