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Berkshire Loses Currency Bet (Warren Buffett v US Dollar)
Reuters ^ | April 30, 2005 | Jonathan Stempel

Posted on 04/30/2005 6:39:04 PM PDT by nicollo

OMAHA, Neb. (Reuters) - Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway Inc. (NYSE:BRK-A - News; NYSE:BRK-B - News) lost $310 million in the first quarter from betting against the U.S. dollar, but has nevertheless maintained its roughly $21 billion stake against the greenback, the billionaire said on Saturday.

... Omaha-based Berkshire's stake in foreign currency contracts total "a little more than $21 billion," compared with $21.4 billion spread among 12 currencies at year end, Buffett said.

That bet backfired in the first quarter, and even now it costs about 5 percent fewer dollars to buy euros than on Dec. 31. Berkshire's currency bets had in the fourth quarter generated a $1.63 billion gain.

Some traders recently speculated that Berkshire cut its bet against the dollar. But Buffett remains worried that U.S. policies are causing trade and budget deficits to spiral higher, and might cause non-U.S. investors to pull money from the country. Last year, the U.S. trade deficit rose 24 percent to a record $617.7 billion.

"The world has demonstrated a diminishing enthusiasm for dollars over the last few years as they get flooded with them," Buffett said. "Does that lead to some tipping point at some point? Who knows? I have a hard time thinking about any outcome from this that involves an appreciating dollar."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: berkshirehathaway; currency; dollar; warrenbuffett
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Timing, Buffy, timing. Win a billion here, lose 300 million there. Your December position gonna hold, or did you let your emotions get in the way of your dollar sense?

Me thinks there's more to lose on the way, even if, as I've been saying, the dollar will variously hover around buck thirty against the euro.

1 posted on 04/30/2005 6:39:04 PM PDT by nicollo
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To: nicollo

He's getting old.


2 posted on 04/30/2005 6:42:15 PM PDT by bfree (Liberals are evil)
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To: nicollo

The likelihood is that if the bet didn't pay off last time, it will pay off this time. However, if it doesn't, I won't feel sorry for Buffett.


3 posted on 04/30/2005 6:44:11 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: nicollo
Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway ... lost $310 million in the first quarter from betting against the U.S. dollar

For all those currently short against the dollar, you gotta ask yourself...Do you feel lucky?

Well...Do Ya!?

If short investors try to get out before a "squeeze", the Yankee dollar might see a nice upward climb.

Warren, ol pal, I don't normally give investment advice, but you just might consider going short on the French franc.

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4 posted on 04/30/2005 6:52:44 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: nicollo

I hope he learnes what the Hunts learned in the silver business.


5 posted on 04/30/2005 6:57:44 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (You must respect my a-tor-it-tah!)
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To: bfree

Worse, he's letting his liberal politics interfere with rational business judgment.

The libs are so busy talking the economy down to hurt Bush they are actually beginning to believe their own lies.


6 posted on 04/30/2005 6:59:39 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: nicollo

He will let it ride. The odds, given US deficit spending, and balance of trade imbalance, are highly in his favor.

Those who are having their chuckles now, can go play their favorite state lottery. Suckers.


7 posted on 04/30/2005 7:07:23 PM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek

According to much of the more recent economic opinion, no the odds aren't highly in his favor. There's no accounting for the ignorance of emotion beating an illogical path, though, and that's exactly what Buffet is fomenting and counting on.


8 posted on 04/30/2005 7:22:13 PM PDT by Sandreckoner
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To: nicollo

I remember posting a few months ago , Buffy was trying hard to talk the currency market . Oopps ;O


9 posted on 04/30/2005 7:27:45 PM PDT by Deetes (Speak Softly and Carry a Big Stick)
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To: nicollo
Your December position gonna hold, or did you let your emotions get in the way of your dollar sense?

I think you nailed it. Buffett was angry that Bush won, and stupidly put his money where his mouth was.

10 posted on 04/30/2005 7:30:16 PM PDT by denydenydeny
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek

Some of us expected a rebound for the dollar, which seems to still be in play. I wouldn't bet on the dollar long term though, which is Buffet's time frame. I also wouldn't bet on the euro, which is likely to be at its zenith. There are other currencies which are probably mnuch better bets than either. I'd like to know what Buffet would be in, instead of the dollar.


11 posted on 04/30/2005 7:37:02 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: nicollo
Awww, is the Orifice of Omaha having a bad quarter?
12 posted on 04/30/2005 7:55:20 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with Karl Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
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To: MeanWestTexan

"Worse, he's letting his liberal politics interfere with rational business judgment.

The libs are so busy talking the economy down to hurt Bush they are actually beginning to believe their own lies."

Exactly so!!

oil has topped, and dollar has bottomed. JMHO.


14 posted on 04/30/2005 8:01:03 PM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: MeanWestTexan; Sandreckoner; Deetes; denydenydeny

Yuse guys got it: Buffy has put politics in front of reason. He bet against American possibility.

Ever a bad bet.


15 posted on 04/30/2005 8:08:42 PM PDT by nicollo (All economics are politics.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
I wouldn't bet on the dollar long term though, which is Buffet's time frame
So what's the time frame? "Long term" in currency could be next week. You talking two months? Two years? Buffy was two years too late in getting in in Dec/04. The real short bet was made several years ago. I'm afraid to say that Soros had a slice of that one.
16 posted on 04/30/2005 8:12:49 PM PDT by nicollo (All economics are politics.)
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To: nicollo

I could only guess when it comes to currency speculation. I don't think that our fiscal policy of constant deficits is prudent. The National Debt has increased every single year for the last 45 years. I would like to see them balance the budget and stop the bleeding. Ain't gonna happen.

The Euro has it's limits too. Europe has some serious problems in unemployment, high cost social programs, and the European demographic timebomb.

If I was going to speculate maybe I would bet on Chile, Ireland and maybe Iraq once they become stabilized. The Chinese Yuan is undervalued and pegged to the dollar by the government. That would probably be the safest bet. It can only go up in my opinion, and the worst case is that the government continues the peg and you get a return of capital instead of a return on capital.

It would be interesting to see just what currencies that Buffet is invested in.

I think that the problems that Buffet talks about are very real, and at some point we will have to confront deficits and debt.


17 posted on 04/30/2005 8:41:19 PM PDT by Milton Friedman (Free The People!)
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To: Milton Friedman

Non of this has anything to do with long term trends. People are parking money in Euros until the Yaun is unpegged. That is it.


18 posted on 04/30/2005 9:08:07 PM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: Milton Friedman

Good observations. Buffett's problem is in his long position on the euro. He may have taken a hit on the Yen this past month, but that won't last long. Nor will it get much better, btw.

As for the Yuan, clearly there is only up to go. I think the market has already accounted for this, so when it actually happens there won't be much surprise. The dollar will actually strengthen elsewhere as result. That may be counter-intuitive, but the way it will be. So even if Buffy is long on the Yuan, it does him no good if it strengthens, for it will only help the dollar elsewhere.

The problem currency traders have is with the euro. While smart money has gone to such places as Korea, for example, the politically-biased moves have led to euro illusion. Won't happen.


19 posted on 04/30/2005 9:10:40 PM PDT by nicollo (All economics are politics.)
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To: Stingy Dog

He's BEEN successful. Watch for a downward spiral.


20 posted on 04/30/2005 9:19:47 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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