Posted on 04/15/2005 7:11:19 PM PDT by CHARLITE
I am on the mailing list of several Islamic publications and almost without exception there was veritable glee over the liberal hue and cry from leftists for a more liberal pope.
If you read between the lines, you can very clearly see what these Islamics are hoping for: more moral decay in the already evil and decadent West. This evilness would then be used as the reason for the mass slaughter that lies ahead. Allah has demanded that the evil and sinful Christians be sent to the fires of hell and if Islamics are convinced that all Christians are evil, the followers of Mohammed can kill with a clear conscience.
The Quran already states that “all Christians will be burned in the fire,” but many moderate Muslims sensibly ask, “Why?” These non-violent Muslims must be whipped into shape for the battle, and time is short.
As Mohammed sat scratching out the Quran, he knew his biggest threat was then, and would be in the future, the followers of Jesus--Christians. Mohammed couldn’t just disregard Jesus, however, for he was too important. So he cleverly managed to make only the followers of Jesus evil while elevating Jesus to the rank of a prophet. The paradox is that the man was good, but his followers were bad. This is an interesting and unexplainable conflict.
Mohammed had to convince people that Jesus was not the Son the God. If Jesus was the promised Messiah, there would have been no need for another prophet and no need for Mohammed because the prophecy would have been fulfilled.
Mohammed referred to Christians often and always with venom and hate. This is just a few of the lines from the Quran that refer to Christians: “Allah will tear Christians apart for ascribing partners to him.” “Allah will taunt the Christians in hell, saying: Where are all my partners that you used to believe in?” “Allah cast fear into the hearts of the disbelieving People of the Scripture. Their home in the Hereafter will be the Fire.”
Mohammed tried to convince the Jews that he was their promised Messiah, but they didn’t believe him. Jews became the hated ones. Jews rejected Mohammed and they quickly felt his wrath. This blind hatred continues to this day. While Islamics hate the Jews, they don’t see the Jews as a collective threat to Islam. Jews are just used for target practice. The war with the Jews is just a prelude for what is to come.
Christians, however, were a lost cause right from the start. Christians had already accepted Jesus as the promised Messiah long before Mohammed was even born. History told Mohammed that Christians were a stubborn bunch. They had been fed to lions, tortured, crucified, beaten, and still, Christianity thrived and grew. Even the powerful Romans could not stop them.
There was a time when Mohammed and his handful of followers hid among Christians from enemies who wanted to kill him. It was during that time that he selectively picked from Christianity those features that he felt suited his purposes and he discarded the rest.
In fact, in the beginning Mohammed was quite fond of Christian monks. He said of them in the beginning of the Quran: "You will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those ... who say: We are Christians; there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly." As time passed, his opinion of the solidly Christian monks and priests changed considerably. Mohammed later told his followers not to listen to them because they would lead them "from Allah's way." Translation: Christians won’t follow me so they are now the enemy.
The seeds of hatred for Christians and Jews were planted early and often in the minds of Muslims.
When many Islamic leaders came to pay homage to Pope John Paul II, the radical element of Islam was outraged. They seemed to say: How dare Islamic leaders show respect to the leader of the enemy! While the pope is the leader of the Catholic Church and not all Christians, many in Islam know that when the final battle begins, Christians will close ranks and they will look to a single leader to guide them. More than likely, it will be the pope. After all, many people believe that every Christian religion is a splinter group of Catholicism. We all believe that Jesus was the Son of God. That belief will unite us.
Islam has no central leader to look to for guidance. It is fragmented and disjointed. In short, Islam has pope-envy.
Islamics know there are not enough Jews in the world to stop them, but Christians, now that is a different story. I have found it fascinating that Mohammed paid little attention to Buddhists and Hindus. Both existed long before Islam. Is it that Mohammed didn’t have much contact with anyone other than Jews and Christians, so they were just ignored by the all-knowing and all-seeing Mohammed? Mohammed seems to have overlooked millions of people who have no desire to follow the teachings of Islam.
Islamic hatred is directed right at the group of people that Mohammed knew would be the people to stand up to Islam and defeat his followers someday: The followers of Jesus Christ. In fact, that defeat has been predicted.
St. Malachy, an Irish Bishop who died in 1148 A.D., left behind a list of the popes to come. He gave them all one identifying line. Historians who have studied St. Malachy’s list have said that he was remarkably accurate. What is unsettling is that there are only two more popes on his list.
The new pope, whose identity is still unknown, has been predicted not only by St. Malachy, but St. Benedict as well. St. Malachy identified the next to last Pope to lead the Catholic Church with the line, “The Glory of the Olive.” St. Benedict stated that this as yet un-elected pope would be from his order, which interestingly is also known as the Olivetans. Frankly, I don’t see a conflict in their predictions. Both stated that this pope would be the one who would make the stand and lead Christians into the final fight against evil--a fight that they predicted Christianity will win.
Centuries ago, Mohammed heard a voice in his head. Whether it was his own voice he heard or that of someone--or something--else, we do not know. What is obvious is that the warning was clear: Beware of the Christians.
I have no doubt that Islamic leaders will be watching to see who is chosen to lead the world’s Catholics and perhaps, ultimately, all Christians. I am sure they are hoping that a weak, liberal pope will take the reins of the only real threat to Islam. A weak pope will allow the decadent West to move even farther from the teachings of Christ.
I also have no doubt that this will not happen. If the cardinals make the wrong choice, it will be corrected just as quickly as it was when they made the wrong choice prior to Pope John Paul II. Humbled, the cardinals will return to bury yet another pope and then pick the correct man that is destined to be pope.
If the end-time is coming, and I have no idea if it is, and the duel prediction of two saints is true, the dye is already cast. The future is already in motion around us and it will be up to the followers of Christ to face the followers of Mohammed. How long it will take and how many will die, I have no idea but I have no doubt as to the outcome. God cast out the devil once. He will do it again, with, or without us.
Comments: dickens502003@yahoo.com
Lie. When people are born into the religion of the moon good and his unholy scam-artist muhammed (may he burn forever in hell between two pigs), they are killed if they attempt to leave it. Islam is the only religion on Earth that has laws to kill those who repudiate it.
(2) Judaism is practiced by less than 25 million people on earth. It is really a very small religion numbers-wise. American Jewish community is 2 or 3 % of the total population -- maybe 5 million. In Israel's 6.8 million people, about 5.2 million (77%) are Jewish by religion. All in all, in a world of almost 2 billion Christians and over 1 billion Muslims, Judaism is prominent only because it is at the root of both of these religions.
So what? It is the root of the religion of the moon god in that it began in that region.
(3) Jews used terrorist tactics against the British, killing both the military and civilians in the process. So, it's not that they are "above" that; it simply means they have no need for it.
Lie.
(4) Islam is a threat because of its numbers. Let's not forget that we as a country supported Bosnian and Kosovo Muslims and have made it possible for the extreme Islamic operatives to gain a foothold in that part of Europe. Apparently, our attitude towards Islamic threat is mixed: we maintain cordial relationships with all sorts of undemocratic Islamic regimes, one of which -- Saudi Arabia -- is a cesspool of Islamic radicalism
Specious restatement of facts. Islam is a threat because it is an evil ideology hiding as a theology. That pedophile (MYBIHFBTP) understood that if you could sell people on the idea that any acts done in the name of "God" are OK would be more potent than just "For King And Country." Satan has been laughing for over a thousand years on his religion and the evil it has (and will) wrought. Our relationship with Saud and other ME countries are a result of Realpolitik -- it doesn't mean we ever will accept the evil religion as anything other than what it is.
Your concerns are understood. They are my concerns too. But logic tells me that containing Islam in America leaves over 90% of Islam in the world unchecked.
Frankly as Americans and Christians is not our problem to solve problems with Islam. Islam has created its own situation by not modernizing and becoming a positive force in the world. Furthermore by attacking the US in a nasty and destructive way, they have brought attention to themselves, and like a child we will try to help you fix your problems.
But the bottom line is you need to do this yourselves. Islamic countries and cultures need to grow up and join the world. Misogyny, democratic principles, God given rights, education, modernization, these all need to be addressed internally, because Islam especially teaches that outside influence is not to be trusted.
So what's it going to be? Fix it yourselves, we'll spend treasure and lives to help, we have shown that, but not forever. Because if you don't fix it, next time we just might not be so nice.
As far as France is concerned, do not forget that the French very very instrumental in assuring the success of the American Revolution. Without the French, we may still be British and swear loyalty to the queen. Scary, isn't it?
Today we have good relations with our former enemies, Germany and Japan and their allies. We are even somewhat friendly with Russia. In politics, interests prevail over friendship. Let's not discard potentially useful allies. Countries do not reject alliances because they don "like" us, but because it is not in their interest at this moment to support us. If most of the world (at least the developed world) is out of synch with our interests, perhaps we need to synchronize them, and realize that we don't live alone. We all know that it's better to have good neighborly relations than to have bad ones. Countries are no different.
Yes you do. Straightfaced too.
Ad Hominem response. Good argument, Liar. The evil quran authored by your little pedophile prophet lets you lie as long as it advances your cause.
I'll keep an eye on you.
The problem is not just theirs but ours because there are one billion of them. No matter how you turn it around, Islam teaches subjugation of all to Allah or death. The root cause is the religion itself. The only way to defeat Islam is to show Muslims that their religion is at fault. That will take more than guns. Remember, they have been brainwashed from the fist day. To them Islam is normal and we are not. It takes a complete reversal of everything you know and believe -- and that is very difficult.
My pedophile prophet? I am Christian and my ancestors bled for centuries because of Islam and still do -- with America's help. It's sad but true.
And fellow FReepers as well, right? ;o)
Yes, of course.
All we have to do is let nature take its own course where we can, inundate them with "sins" of Christianity and temptations of western civilization, not to speak of freedom to speak and worship.
What's blatantly obvious is that all the extreme Islamic countries are extremely backward and inimical to modernism. One reason why Turkey is not (as) backward as other countries predominantly Muslim in population is because it is a secular Muslim state.
So, while we may not convince them that Islam is wrong, we can show them something that is closer to them in their hearts. And, in time, and some gentle arm twisting, the seed of doubt and the virus of being able to do what one really likes will do the rest.
kosta50 said: "Also, you can't outlaw a religion! Christianity was outlawed and persecuted for 300 years and all it did was grow and grow until it finally took over."
And I agree completely. Oppression (real or imagined) has only helped Christianity to grow and spread. Islam is really much the same in that respect. If you oppress, cruelly, harshly and unfairly it will only spread. Unfortunately "perceived" oppression - made up sometimes by Muslims or just misunderstood has the same effect. That's why we in the West have to stick to our values of civil liberty, democracy, tolerance (including freedom to worship) and openness. If people behave badly, come down on 'em like a ton of bricks - but do it openly and fairly.
There's a lot of talk about Islamaphobia in the UK - that's the "irrational fear or hatred of Muslims". At first I thought the "Muslim community" were completely making it up - but reading some of the posts in this forum I see there is a lot irrational fear and misunderstanding about Islam (and I have already posted that I don't care for Islam one jot).
Irrational fear isn't constructive. But understanding and discourse is. There are a lot of bad Muslims out there and that they are dangerous (this seems well understood), but folks also have to understand that there are in fact a lot of decent Muslims out there who could take a lead in their religion and culture being more tolerant - and dare I say it - more Westernised.
And please believe me, I do understand what some Mullahs are preaching. I've worked with a guy who was a full-on Nut-case Islamic fundamentalist who I have no doubt would have happily killed me if he thought it would promote the spread of Islam (and who, by the way, was actually very pleasant to work with, I learned a lot from him) But squashing this guy, when he hadn't actually done anything and hadn't said anything either (my earlier description of him is just MY perception) would have only enraged his Muslim brothers - and rightly so.
Kind and decent Muslims are either apostates or liars. In fact, Islam teaches Muslims to lie to the infidels if need be. Deception is not a moral obstacle to them.
Our societies are incompatible. But the problem is that we are willing to accept even that which is incompatible with our values and society for the sake of worshiping some "fairness." Left to their own devices the Muslim world will lock itself into a 7th century Bedouin prison and stay there. As such it will not be too attractive to many a hater who has joined Islam, nor too radicalized, because being a devout Muslim is an all-day job. They will exist unto themselves.
The problem is that we are interacting with them. That introduces all sorts of temptations and "immoral" ideas -- such as women drivers! They know that women look better dressed as western women than as beekeepers.
They know that most people like music and movies. They know that living in a 7th century on a 21st century earth is hell and that Muslims would gladly give up their moon god if they could -- so the Muslim establishment bites back. They are frightened that they will lose their 7th century appeal in favor a 21st century "decadence."
It is easier to separate than to fight. Ignore them. Don't mix with them, even ostracize them. But don't give them the reason to fight. They will turn on each other. Muslims can't stand each other. Look at Shiia and Sunni rivalry, and look how divided the Muslim world is.
When they fight they think they are doing God's work (heaven forbid!), they think they are martyrs. If you lived the life they live becoming a martyr might be even appealing. Why give them the pleasure? If they don't have an external enemy, they will find an internal one -- and slaughter each other.
All we have to do is pump them up with our music, fashion, TV, movies, attractively dressed women and so on. They are curious and tempted. It's human, it's natural. That will not make them fight, that will make them close their doors and run!
We need to leave them to their own devices and let them fight it our amongst themselves. But the less we interact the better it will be for all of us. Islam and our cultures are not compatible.
In short, Islam has pope-envy.
LOL! Going to get my popcorn.
Reporting for duty!
This all sounds great, but if the "moderates" do not take control and the "radicals" keep killing children in Israel, flying airplanes into buildings and blowing up discos in SE Asia, the world will grow a bit weary of coddling them.
Just keep in mind: Al Queda (sp) did 911, the US invaded 2 countries, killed thousands of the enemy, destroyed their radical infrastructure, chased their "leader" Osammi into hiding in a cave and reset their entire governments. Americans are generally a peaceful lot, but when our comfortable life style is threatened we have a history of getting a bit nasty, just ask the Japanese.
Good Morning!
Well, Israel needs to deal with its own problems. Our foreign policy should not be decided by Israel or because of Israel. We should do what is in our national interest -- deal with the fallen world as we see best for America, resist if attacked, build our culture and not try to mix everything and anything for the sake of fairness. We were attacked by Osama's fundamentalists not by Iraq's dictator. Why we are in Iraq is still a mystery to me, IMHO.
Its really not that difficult and right now it is working.
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