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Don't expect another Osirak
World Tribune ^ | 14 April 05 | Christopher Holton

Posted on 04/14/2005 9:01:15 AM PDT by LSUfan

On 7 June 1981, Israeli pilots flying F-16s, escorted by F-15s, bombed Iraq’s nuclear reactor at Osirak, near Baghdad.

Though almost universally condemned at the time, for the most part the world later realized that it owed these pilots a great debt of gratitude, for they prevented Saddam Hussein from obtaining nuclear arms.

Had Israel not destroyed that reactor, the course of history could have been far different. Kuwait would probably now be a province of Iraq and Saddam Hussein might also be the most powerful man in the Middle East, instead of a prisoner.

Of course, the Israelis were certainly acting in their own self-interest. Given Saddam’s professed hatred of Israel and his support for terrorist attacks on the Jewish nation, there is little doubt that Israel would have eventually become a target of his nuclear weapons.

Fast Forward to 2005

There is now speculation in the media and on various weblogs that Israel will repeat its Osirak operation, but this time in Iran.

This speculation is unfounded. Israel does not have the capability to end Iran’s nuclear weapons program through air attack.

(Excerpt) Read more at worldtribune.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: attack; iaf; idf; iran; irannukes; iranukes; israel; israelinukes; nukes; osirak; osiraq
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1 posted on 04/14/2005 9:01:22 AM PDT by LSUfan
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To: LSUfan

Bump for the IAF. I don't care what the author says, the Israelis have survived by doing what the naysayers say can't be done.


2 posted on 04/14/2005 9:05:27 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: LSUfan

Does Israel have cruise missles, or some equivalent thereof?


3 posted on 04/14/2005 9:07:20 AM PDT by linear (You men can't fight in here - this is the War Room!)
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To: LSUfan
Eventually, the Israelis will field 102 Sufas, but the first example was delivered in November 2003 and production was expected to run at just 1.5 aircraft per month, according to the manufacturer, Lockheed Martin.

Man, the pilot of that .5 aircraft is either VERY, VERY good, or is a pilot that the squadron commander isn't too fond of!!
4 posted on 04/14/2005 9:10:16 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Rummyfan

The Israelis are not 8 feet tall and bulletproof.

It's just been a case of the 6th graders beating the crap out of the kindergarteners for years.

When our guys go up against Arab armies, we clean their clocks even faster and more thoroughly. I agree with the author. The Israelis do not have the capability to do an Osirak in Iran.

But, if Israel's intel is good, they might use other means.

Best solution, IMHO, is for the US to do what needs to be done and screw the UN and the EU. They only want to preserve their oil and gas contracts with the Ayatollahs anyway...

What was it that Churchill said about crocodiles?


5 posted on 04/14/2005 9:20:26 AM PDT by LSUfan
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To: LSUfan
Israel does not have the capability to end Iran’s nuclear weapons program through air attack.

Yeah, and pork don't come from pigs either.

6 posted on 04/14/2005 9:21:36 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: LSUfan; Convert from ECUSA; Laffalot; SJackson; Alouette; SirLurkedalot; yonif; anotherview; ...

"This speculation is unfounded. Israel does not have the capability to end Iran’s nuclear weapons program through air attack."

-The one who looks at the last 56 years and knows that the Israel Defense Forces have astonished the world a time after time and achieved victories against all odds, thinks differently.


FRmail me to be added or removed from this Israel Defense Forces and Israel ping list. Here you will find news, articles and fascinating stories about the IDF and Israel.



7 posted on 04/14/2005 9:26:20 AM PDT by IAF ThunderPilot (The basic point of the Israel Defense Forces: -Israel cannot afford to lose a single war.)
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To: linear
I wonder if the USA would be adverse to refueling those birds in flight, unofficially of course. This would solve the range problem and increase the bomb load.
8 posted on 04/14/2005 9:27:48 AM PDT by cpdiii (Oil Field Trash, Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, (OIL FIELD TRASH was fun))
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

My boss just came back from a tour of 8 Israeli military bases as a Friend of the IDF. He was especially impressed with the young ladies in the 414th Intel Brigade.


9 posted on 04/14/2005 9:35:42 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

Iranis going to soon experience several large scale "indiustrial accidents".<P.
BTW, lest we forget, one of the IAF pilots on the 1981 raid was the Israeli astronaut lost on the shuttle mission..


10 posted on 04/14/2005 9:41:45 AM PDT by ken5050 (The Dem party is as dead as the NHL)
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To: Rummyfan

Not only that - why did Sharon bring satellite photos of Iran's stuff to President Bush .. are they looking for a partner to help in this job - since Iran has scattered their facilities all over their country ..??


11 posted on 04/14/2005 9:55:46 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: LSUfan
The Israelis are not 8 feet tall and bulletproof...

...maybe they are!

I watched a documentary on "Tanks" that told the history of TWO Israeli tanks that defended against and destroyed 70 or 80 enemy tanks. Those are the kinds of victories achieved by the IDF!

Just Damn!

History is replete with examples of the Jewish Nation prevailing against overwhelming enemies...and I truly believe with the help of God!

When our guys go up against Arab armies, we clean their clocks even faster and more thoroughly. I agree with the author. The Israelis do not have the capability to do an Osirak in Iran.

Wrong...wrong...and wrong.
12 posted on 04/14/2005 9:56:09 AM PDT by CaptSkip
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"... destroyed 70 or 80 enemy tanks" Um, I don't think so, unless they had amazing logistics for getting lots of extra HEAT rounds, and a profoundly STUPID enemy.

If true, I'd like to see that documentary.


13 posted on 04/14/2005 10:03:47 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: CaptSkip

"I watched a documentary on "Tanks" that told the history of TWO Israeli tanks that defended against and destroyed 70 or 80 enemy tanks. Those are the kinds of victories achieved by the IDF!"

The story that you are talking about took place during the first two days of the Yom Kippur War of October 1973.
In that war an Arab force, at the size of the entire NATO forces in Europe, stood against the IDF.

About 1400 Syrian tanks stood against 180 Israeli tanks at the Golan Heights in the first days of the war.
The 180 Israeli tanks managed to stop the 1400 Syrian tanks, against all possible odds and scenarios.
The tankists which you mentioned above recieved later the Medal of Heroism, and they will be remembered forever as the heroes who saved Israel.


14 posted on 04/14/2005 10:09:20 AM PDT by IAF ThunderPilot (The basic point of the Israel Defense Forces: -Israel cannot afford to lose a single war.)
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To: Blueflag

It is true.


15 posted on 04/14/2005 10:10:09 AM PDT by IAF ThunderPilot (The basic point of the Israel Defense Forces: -Israel cannot afford to lose a single war.)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot; Blueflag
Thanks ThunderPilot for filling the blanks!

The documentary was on "The Military Channel" and titled "The Top Ten Tanks". It's featured on the opening page here:

http://military.discovery.com/

Check the schedule for air time.

The tank used at the time was the Centurion.
16 posted on 04/14/2005 10:48:48 AM PDT by CaptSkip
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To: CyberAnt
Not only that - why did Sharon bring satellite photos of Iran's stuff to President Bush .. are they looking for a partner to help in this job - since Iran has scattered their facilities all over their country ..??

I wonder that as well. It kind of appears that GWB has decided to call off the War On Terror...because he doesn't have any broad support internationally or domestically (so he and Rove must think) to finish the job. Hence, Condi has been tasked with "whistling in the dark", and doing a Clinton...publicly pretending there is nothing to worry about. Did you see that they are now, in choreagraphed fashion...saying that the Iranians having the bomb is five years into the future? And that the North Korean bomb threat is overrated?

17 posted on 04/14/2005 10:56:52 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Many so-called liberals aren’t liberal—they will defend to the DEATH your right to agree with them.)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

Israel has constantly surprised those who underestimated her. As messy as things are with the whole Sharon vs. Settlers situation, should Israel decide to act against the mad mullahs, history has shown that action will be taken, one way or another. Nobody thought'd they'd be able to rescue the hostages at Entebbe in 1976, either!


18 posted on 04/14/2005 10:57:30 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (tired of all the shucking and jiving)
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To: LSUfan

"The Israelis are not 8 feet tall and bulletproof."

I think Pharoah said something like that when he sent the Egyptian army after the unarmed and fleeing Israelites who were crossing the Red Sea.

Since the War of Independence when a newly created practically armless Israel faced off against six Arab countries backed by the British, Israel has been defying the odds. Not that I don't wish them better ones, but they are stuck in a hostile world.


19 posted on 04/14/2005 10:59:06 AM PDT by dervish (Let Europe pay for NATO)
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To: LSUfan

Israel does not have the capability to end Iran’s nuclear weapons program through air attack.

yeah--and they didn't have the ability to rescue hundreds of prisoners 1000 miles away in Uganda...


20 posted on 04/14/2005 11:02:26 AM PDT by Jaysin
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