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Hollywood Babylon
The New American ^ | March 21, 2005 | William F. Jasper

Posted on 03/11/2005 11:00:10 AM PST by w6ai5q37b

The recent Academy Award celebration of last year's movie fare has made transparently obvious the huge chasm between the cultural elitists and Middle America.

The year 2004 is certain to go down as a defining point in the decades-long war for the heart, mind, and soul of America. The cultural elites who reign over the fields of entertainment, the arts, the news media, and academia are triumphantly celebrating our descent into a post-Christian, neopagan society. They are celebrating an ongoing revolution that threatens to transform a culture of life, light, virtue, and hope into a culture of death, darkness, degeneracy, and despair.

This celebration of our moral decline was nowhere more blatantly displayed than at the 77th Academy Awards on February 27. Considered by many to be the premier annual cultural event, broadcast to a global audience of hundreds of millions, the Oscars have been sliding down a slippery slope for many years. But this year's nominees for the coveted golden statue comprised, in the words of USA Today, an especially "bleak slate."

In a February 25 cover story entitled, "Exploring Oscar's Dark Side," USA Today described the grim reality behind this year's glamour and glitz:

Open the winning envelope? For this year's Oscar hopefuls, it's more like opening a vein. Drug addiction, mercy killing, mental illness, genocide, abortion, ill young mothers and borderline alcoholism — these are a few of Oscar's favorite things this year. Here are a few more of Oscar's favorite things, as deduced from the Academy's nominees: homosexuality, pederasty, adultery, pornography, nudity, incest, blasphemy, profanity, and Communist revolutionaries.

(Excerpt) Read more at thenewamerican.com ...


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KEYWORDS: corruption; culturewars; hollyweird; hollywood; jbs; johnbirchsociety; morals; society; thenewamerican
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1 posted on 03/11/2005 11:00:12 AM PST by w6ai5q37b
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To: w6ai5q37b
How long would it take for Hollywood to re-discover solid American values if people stopped going to their movies? About a week? Two weeks? A month? Not much longer.

I'm doing my part.

2 posted on 03/11/2005 11:03:02 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: w6ai5q37b
For this year's Oscar hopefuls, it's more like opening a vein. Drug addiction, mercy killing, mental illness, genocide, abortion, ill young mothers and borderline alcoholism — these are a few of Oscar's favorite things this year.

Doesn't mention how the subjects dealt with. Or is it wrong to deal with them in any way?
3 posted on 03/11/2005 11:03:43 AM PST by Borges
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To: snarks_when_bored

When do you think the schism occured?


4 posted on 03/11/2005 11:04:34 AM PST by Borges
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To: w6ai5q37b
Better title:
Hollywood Babble On
5 posted on 03/11/2005 11:04:48 AM PST by ProudVet77 (It's boogitty boogitty boogitty time!)
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To: Borges
When do you think the schism occured?

Not sure, but maybe after the John Wayne/Jimmy Stewart generation died? And certainly the Vietnam War polarization of the country contributed; Hollywood woke up to its liberal roots at that time, for sure. There are surely many reasons.

What do you think?

6 posted on 03/11/2005 11:08:55 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

i couldn't agree with you all more. especially that hotel rwanda movie. what a waste! how stupid to nominate an actor portraying someone who saved over a thousand people from certain death. ugh.


7 posted on 03/11/2005 11:13:17 AM PST by johnd238 (absolutely)
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To: snarks_when_bored
In the mid 1960s the studio system collaped and the old studios were bought up by non movie business conglemorates...beverage companies, communication companies and the like. Those CEOs didn't know anything about movies so they gave the keys to the kingdom to young film school grads. Coppola, Scorsese, Depalma. Who came to dmoniate the industry by the 70s. That was the big change as I see it.

But this article is hyperbolic bilge and I reject the premise utterly. You could make the same list about movies from the 40s many of which featured 'murder', 'alcholism', 'mental illness' and the like. How is mental illness 'offensive'?
8 posted on 03/11/2005 11:13:24 AM PST by Borges
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To: w6ai5q37b
For this year's Oscar hopefuls, it's more like opening a vein. Drug addiction, mercy killing, mental illness, genocide, abortion, ill young mothers and borderline alcoholism — these are a few of Oscar's favorite things this year

I don't get it.

Is the author complaining that movies are made with these subjects? If so, pretty stupid.

What's next - complaining because there are books & TV programs that address the same subjects?

9 posted on 03/11/2005 11:13:26 AM PST by gdani
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To: gdani

Look at the source. It's the Cap Alert mentality. Everything should be all right for young children and should have not have anything even mildly distrubring or upsetting to them.


10 posted on 03/11/2005 11:14:49 AM PST by Borges
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To: Borges
Around the same time Hollywood abandoned its old code and adopted the MPAA rating system. They awarded Midnight Cowboy the Oscar and forfeited their mass market for the niche they now have. They never recovered the numbers they gave up in the 1960's.
11 posted on 03/11/2005 11:17:32 AM PST by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: w6ai5q37b

I started watching Bonanza on TVLand. That show was awesome. One program talked about honesty, values, justice. And it said those words in the show. Nearly every episode has a value lesson. However, if Bonanza was made today, Adam would be living with his girlfriend, Haas would be divorced with a bunch of kids, and Little Joe would be a homosexual. Pa would probably be on drugs.


12 posted on 03/11/2005 11:19:13 AM PST by mel
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To: colorado tanker

The 'Old Code' was geriatric by then. The market now decides what's appropriate not men in a dark room with a checklist. BTW the movie that did it in was 'Who's Afraid of Virgnia Woolf' something that couldn't work without the lnaguage and themes it had to use.


14 posted on 03/11/2005 11:20:15 AM PST by Borges
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To: gdani
It's a silly article. The movies of the 60's and 70's addressed real issues as well as churning out the usual popcorn movies. It so happens that most of these issues were shown in a liberal PC view, and that tone has been enforced and continued to the present.

But...so what? There are plenty of movies with various points of view. A movie like "Requiem for a Dream" is probably hated by most people here, yet it is the greatest anti-drug movie ever made.

The fact that these movies address these issues is important to me, and I don't need someone in the movie lecturing me on the "right" view of things. I can see a movie and enjoy it for what it is and ignore the point (propaganda) any liberal tries to slap on it. I don't need a movie to cheerlead for my views--if it's entertaining, I can just ignore the liberal spin its makers put on it.

15 posted on 03/11/2005 11:20:58 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (This space for rent)
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To: Darkwolf377
I can just ignore the liberal spin its makers put on it.

Or better yet, refute it. 'Requiem for a Dream' gave me a headache. It's like one of those 'Scared Straight' PSAs x 100.
16 posted on 03/11/2005 11:23:11 AM PST by Borges
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To: LogicalMs
Good critics are the only defense against marketing departments and media noise. If you find one or more you agree with its helpful to separate the wheat from the chaff. When you bash critics you're right in bed with the Hollywood marketing guys. They'd love nothing more then to be rid of them.
17 posted on 03/11/2005 11:25:21 AM PST by Borges
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To: w6ai5q37b
Used to be that Film Noir was the minority; the majority was movies with, if not overt religious values, than certainly underlying Judeo-Chrisitan values.

Now Film Noir often seems to be the majority and Judeo-Christian values are constantly challenged, even in the comedies.

Same for books and TV...mass culture in general.

18 posted on 03/11/2005 11:26:28 AM PST by what's up
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To: colorado tanker
"They awarded Midnight Cowboy the Oscar and forfeited their mass market for the niche they now have. They never recovered the numbers they gave up in the 1960's."

Niche? The average annual box office per year has been climbing steadily since the 1980s. Even if one accounts for inflated ticket prices, that niche is greater than the audience used to be. DVDs and tapes didn't exist in the Midnight Cowboy era, either, nor did cable or pay per view. Considering that people who stopped going to theaters after a certain age have readily-available access to movies they didn't have when only networks played them, the audience for movies is enormous.

19 posted on 03/11/2005 11:27:39 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (This space for rent)
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To: Borges

Yep, the "market" does decide and since it's dominated by teens and twentysomthings, we'll still be fed a steady diet of cartoon action movies and vacuous chick flicks.


20 posted on 03/11/2005 11:27:50 AM PST by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: Borges
"Or better yet, refute it. 'Requiem for a Dream' gave me a headache. It's like one of those 'Scared Straight' PSAs x 100."

Uh, ok. I guess they should have made a fun movie about drug addiction? It's one of the best movies of the past ten years.

21 posted on 03/11/2005 11:28:29 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (This space for rent)
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To: mel

The Andy Griffith show is the same way. Each and every show depicts morals and values that can teach a lesson.


22 posted on 03/11/2005 11:28:46 AM PST by cynblogger
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To: snarks_when_bored
According to Michael Medved (Hollywood vs A,merica) the domestic audience is increasingly less relevant to Hollywood : They get more and more of the revenue from overseas audiences. And those audiences have no objection-far from it-to grotesquely antiAmerican films. If anything, US films that depict the USA as a nightmare of violence and preversion are popular because of that depiction. Therefore, a mass boycott of Hollywood productions by US citizens would have little impact.
23 posted on 03/11/2005 11:30:24 AM PST by kaylar
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To: snarks_when_bored

The audience for movies has dropped significantly since the introduction of the MPAA ratings code back in the mid 1960s. The reasons for the record box office results are not because more people are going, it is because tickets are costing more, and there are more people who watch a movie multiple times. Less individuals are watching movies in the theatre than 10 years ago.


24 posted on 03/11/2005 11:30:33 AM PST by timtoews5292004
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To: w6ai5q37b
Liberalism =Mental Illness

Need more proof ?
25 posted on 03/11/2005 11:31:36 AM PST by John Lenin (My wife made me join a bridge club. I jump off next Tuesday.)
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To: kaylar

excellent point. Forgot about medved's book there for a second. There has always been a disconnect between the hollywood mindset and the general public. They just do not care.


26 posted on 03/11/2005 11:32:13 AM PST by timtoews5292004
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To: snarks_when_bored
In addition to your fine post:

The effete elite who dominate the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences apparently went out of their way to select Oscar nominees that are especially offensive to the vast majority of the American public. Middle America, in some measure, still adheres to the Christian faith and morality that are so abhorrent to the atheist and hedonist sensibilities of Hollywood.

27 posted on 03/11/2005 11:32:32 AM PST by BobS
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To: mel

And Hop Sing would be a cross-dressing, heavy metal, beastiality freak.


28 posted on 03/11/2005 11:35:04 AM PST by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: johnd238

You actually pay to see people play someone else? Read a book, newbie.


29 posted on 03/11/2005 11:37:25 AM PST by Safetgiver (Mud slung is ground lost.)
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To: Darkwolf377
Uh, ok. I guess they should have made a fun movie about drug addiction? It's one of the best movies of the past ten years.

No but they could have had something new to say about it. That movie reeked of its source...an overwrought novel written shortly after the 60s ended. A 'Utopian dreams are gone and now look where we are' sort of thing. The characters were thin and had no chance. It was like watching a 2 hour march to the scaffold.
30 posted on 03/11/2005 11:37:37 AM PST by Borges
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To: Safetgiver
You actually pay to see people play someone else?

Yeah, people who go to the theater to see productions of Shakspeare, Checkov and Ibsen are wasting their time. /sarcasm
31 posted on 03/11/2005 11:40:22 AM PST by Borges
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To: Darkwolf377
Box office goes up, but not attendance. They've been making money by increasing prices on tix and concessions. And the newer tricks of the trade you mentioned.
32 posted on 03/11/2005 11:40:47 AM PST by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: kaylar
If anything, US films that depict the USA as a nightmare of violence and preversion are popular because of that depiction.

The problem is that this article was focused on the Oscar nominees none of which fit this description.
33 posted on 03/11/2005 11:41:40 AM PST by Borges
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To: colorado tanker

Concessions are not counted in movie grosses.


34 posted on 03/11/2005 11:42:11 AM PST by Borges
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To: colorado tanker
This is the exact problem with Hollywood, Politics. Around, as early as the 60's, Hollywood elitists thought they could dip their hands in how this economy should be ran. You've all heard of the "Not in our Name" petition going around? This is ridiculous, these people are not politicians, half of them don't even have political science degree's or the likewise.
Art is made to inspire and splurge extraordinary thought, this can bleed into government value. But the problem isn't just with the entertainment world, it's everywhere. Homes, business, the government. We don't parent our children anymore, instead we befriend them, we don't work for the goodness of positive production anymore in our jobs, and our government hasn't worked for the "people" in 50 years.
The film industry, yes, is slightly to blame for the jargon they produce to the masses, but people still attend because it's what they want to see. This is how we're entertained. But has it not always been this way, if not gotten a bit better? What about Rome, Gladiators. At least now we don't enjoy real life massacres. Even boxing shortened the maximum amount of rounds a fight can last because 15 was to many for the fighters health. So there are some perks to our moral of entertainment. The problem is everyone expects someone else to do something about it. Yes we shouldn't block our first amendment, but there needs to be a line that should be drawn not just by parents for the kids, but by this nation for its "kids".
35 posted on 03/11/2005 11:44:33 AM PST by ComplexUnion182
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To: Borges

>> When do you think the schism occured? <<

It goes at least as far back as the 30s, when so many hollywood actors and writers became Communist party members or fellow travelers. They began inserting pro-Soviet sentiments into their movies during WWII.


36 posted on 03/11/2005 11:44:41 AM PST by American Quilter
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To: American Quilter
It goes at least as far back as the 30s, when so many hollywood actors and writers became Communist party members or fellow travelers. They began inserting pro-Soviet sentiments into their movies during WWII.

So basically since the sound era? That's a position I've not heard! :-) most of those Soviet favoring films were essentially war porpaganda that was sanctioned by the goverment.
37 posted on 03/11/2005 11:47:01 AM PST by Borges
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To: johnd238
especially that hotel rwanda movie

I have that in my netflix queue... Did you find it worth watching at all?

38 posted on 03/11/2005 11:47:27 AM PST by technochick99 (Self defense is a basic human right ; Sig Sauer is my equalizer)
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To: w6ai5q37b

BTPAT


39 posted on 03/11/2005 11:48:05 AM PST by Christian4Bush ("If Ted Kennedy has his way, democracy in Iraq will suffer the same fate as Mary Jo Kopechne.")
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To: ComplexUnion182
there needs to be a line that should be drawn not just by parents for the kids, but by this nation for its "kids".

I'm not a kid thanks and can decide for myself. Keep goverment out of it.
40 posted on 03/11/2005 11:48:52 AM PST by Borges
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To: technochick99

I think he was being sarcastic. It's a solid film.


41 posted on 03/11/2005 11:49:27 AM PST by Borges
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To: colorado tanker; Borges

Yes, Borges, I am very disappointed in the Cap Alert. They seem to think Hollywood should just make 50's Disney movies. Audiences have moved beyond the kind of cotton candy world they seem to want.

The Hayes Code was dead by 1965. Audiences were ready for heroes who shot first. Culturally, the audience fragmented as the country did between Right and Left.

In Hollywood studios, I suspect a major reason the Left won is that the Right tried in vain to recreate the success of "The Sound of Music" by blowing money on lame big budget family musicals while the Left made harder, edgier films with generous amounts of nudity. Nudity is the cheapest special effect and the most cost effective (they didn't have VCR's or cable soft porn then). The "family market" couldn't support money pits like "Hello, Dolly" or "Paint Your Wagon" and just about any woman taking off her top was more entertaining than "Song of Norway".


42 posted on 03/11/2005 11:49:51 AM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: Borges

Coppola, Scorsese, Depalma

3 leftwing Italian Americans who have only made movies about killing, cursing, and the disrespect of life.

Coppola is the worst - a friend of Fidel Castro. Coppola needs to shave, loose whgt, and take a bath!


43 posted on 03/11/2005 11:50:45 AM PST by mandingo republican (Libs are Baal & Moloch worshipers I tell ya! - FREE HK, CUBA & IRAN - www.geocities.com/nccwatch)
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To: Darkwolf377
What is your source to the movie audience increase since the 1980's? I'm not arguing your point, but wouldn't it make sense that because of DVD's and pay-per view theater attendance would drop? Produce a source because that's an interesting argument.
44 posted on 03/11/2005 11:51:03 AM PST by ComplexUnion182
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To: snarks_when_bored
>>I'm doing my part.<<

So am I snarks. I just don't go to see that tripe. But I differ with you. Hollywoody would just sell overseas. And maybe eventually move there. In my opinion, many of our leader across this land just suck. It's all about their pockets regardless if they are preachers, actors, politicians, school boards, local gov. etc. The list just go on. I have reined in many of my money leaks.

45 posted on 03/11/2005 11:51:45 AM PST by Pit1
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To: timtoews5292004

But isn't that very largely because of cable, VCR's and DVD's ? Hey, a lot of movies these days are never meant to be in movie theaters.



46 posted on 03/11/2005 11:53:18 AM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: colorado tanker
Box office goes up, but not attendance

Assuming that's true, it makes perfect sense given that most of us now have DVD or VHS players, pay-per-view, cable TV, cable TV movie channels & movies on network TV.

Would you expect otherwise?

I rarely go to see movies in the theater. But it has nothing to do with quality & everything to do with the fact that I know I'll soon see those movies on DVD or PPV in the convenience of my own home.

47 posted on 03/11/2005 11:53:29 AM PST by gdani
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To: Borges

Never said that the people couldn't decide for themselves. Never said that you were a kid, but good argument. Government has everything to do with it. It was also an analogy.


48 posted on 03/11/2005 11:53:45 AM PST by ComplexUnion182
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To: snarks_when_bored
The schism occurred as the old directors and stars of the thirties and forties died out. They were replaced by a very nihilistic breed. Frank Capra was forced out of Hollywood, for example. I think 1969 was the break over year. Midnight Cowboy won the best picture Oscar that year.
49 posted on 03/11/2005 11:54:17 AM PST by Richard Kimball (It was a joke. You know, humor. Like the funny kind. Only different.)
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To: Sam the Sham

But 'Song of Norway' had Florence Henderson and Peer Gynt! 1965 was the watershed year of sorts. the Pawnbroker came out which was the first mainstream film to have nudity albeit in a very serious context (about Holocaust survivors). The Sound of Music and Doctor Zhivago were hugely popular and could not be duplicated. Even by their own directors (Robert Wise and Julie Andrews tried it again with Star!, David Lean with the disasterours 'Ryan's Daughter' the failure of which pushed Lean out of film making for over a decade.)


50 posted on 03/11/2005 11:54:27 AM PST by Borges
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