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U.S. Says It Has Withdrawn From World Judicial Body
NY Times ^
| March 10, 2005
| ADAM LIPTAK
Posted on 03/09/2005 8:35:05 PM PST by neverdem
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To: stylin19a
Looks like the US is only withdrawing from the optional protocol......sigh........ I guess it's a start. That's okay, the consular convention, in of itself, is fine. All it requires is that foreigners be given access to their consular officials.
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posted on
03/10/2005 10:10:11 AM PST
by
Modernman
("Normally, I don't listen to women, or doctors." - Captain Hero)
To: neverdem
its about frikin time.....
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posted on
03/10/2005 10:14:58 AM PST
by
MikefromOhio
(Get real and show some class.....)
To: neverdem
I have to ask myself why was this agreement in place.
I suspect that the US wanted to be able for a US citizen if arrested in another country would have access to the US consulate and in quid-pro-quo that meant that those countries foreigners would also have access to their consulate so that they could get advice and help from the consulate on legal issues or who to use in a strange country.
I do not agree about people in the US illegally getting a second shot in court which they will probably get convicted again in court to roll the dice and see if they can be acquitted.
But, the agreement was in place and I do think that Americans abroad might find it harder to contact a consulate if they get into trouble in the near future.
Hopefully agreements are in place to still protect the American public and this was just a redundant agreement that gave an open door into American people into an international court and probably lawsuits which America wisely decided to remove itself from the policy. I guess we will see the ramifications of this in the future where it was a bad idea in the MSM if their were no redundant agreements where American 'A' is not allowed to contact a consulate for advice and help and the MSM gets to blame Bush for the backing out of the policy.
Guess we will have to wait and see.
To: neverdem
Peter J. Spiro, a law professor at the University of Georgia, said the withdrawal was unbecoming.
Who is this horses ass and why is he even being quoted.
Let me guess... NY Times.... must need liberal anti Bush
and anti American sound bite. Who cares what some loser from U of Georgia thinks.
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posted on
03/10/2005 10:26:52 AM PST
by
ghitma
(MeClaudius)
To: piasa
145
posted on
03/10/2005 10:27:17 AM PST
by
Grampa Dave
(The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
To: neverdem
"Peter J. Spiro, a law professor at the University of Georgia, said the withdrawal was unbecoming. "It's a sore-loser kind of move," Professor Spiro said. "If we can't win, we're not going to play."
The NYT really had to search for someone with this viewpoint, so much so they'd interview an unknown hack at a second-rate school.
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posted on
03/10/2005 11:15:45 AM PST
by
Redbob
To: adam_az
"It's a sore-loser kind of move," Professor Spiro said. "If we can't win, we're not going to play." On what basis do these people figure that we have to do what other countries or elites tell us to do? Where are the boundaries? THe lack of respect for boundaries and our expression is one of the most growth stunting dysfunctional approach these people have.
what part of sovereign don't they understand? It's OUR FOOTBALL FIELD FOR GOD's SAKE!
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posted on
03/10/2005 11:23:58 AM PST
by
JudgemAll
(Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
To: A Citizen Reporter
International recognizes sovereignty and civil disobedience - as if there was anything to obey anyhow. These people have a different meaning for international law. IT's code word for international bullies.
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posted on
03/10/2005 11:25:25 AM PST
by
JudgemAll
(Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
To: adam_az
Anyone who aids and abetts subjugating the US and State Constitutions to an International (Kangaroo) Court should be prosecuted for treason!
Marked Man - "Don't Tread On Me"
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posted on
03/10/2005 11:26:15 AM PST
by
markedman
(Lay me down to a watery grave)
To: TitansAFC
I wonder if the Supreme Court is now going to reverse this policy and surrender its work officialy to this body... After all, isn't it what they just did?
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posted on
03/10/2005 11:26:26 AM PST
by
JudgemAll
(Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
To: neverdem
Finally! The duly elected or appointed representatives of this country must recognize and defend it's sovereignty without regard to international pressures. There's a reason the USA is the only superpower, and it ain't because we went around the world asking how we should conduct ourselves.
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posted on
03/10/2005 11:32:32 AM PST
by
TChris
(Lousy homophobic FReeper troll, religious right, VRWC member)
To: Balkans
To: neverdem
Peter J. Spiro, a law professor at the University of Georgia, said the withdrawal was unbecoming. "It's a sore-loser kind of move," Professor Spiro said. "If we can't win, we're not going to play."
He is the one that is a sore-loser. I think I will walk over to his office and tell him so. What a moroon!
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posted on
03/10/2005 11:39:05 AM PST
by
CFW
To: neverdem
Peter J. Spiro, a law professor at the University of Georgia, said the withdrawal was unbecoming. "It's a sore-loser kind of move," Professor Spiro said. "If we can't win, we're not going to play." Uh.... "unbecoming"?
Why is it that people who apparently think they are very smart so often say things that sound so stupid?
Should we remain in a treaty for appearances' sake? Because to withdraw would be "unbecoming"? Is this the expert legal opinion of law professor Spiro? That it's wise to remain in treaties for reasons of tact?
Moronic.
To: neverdem
The President is making it crystal clear that he will tolerate NO interference in the US judicial system.
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posted on
03/10/2005 11:41:02 AM PST
by
teletech
(Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
To: neverdem
"International adjudication is an important tool in a post-cold-war, post-9/11 world," Dean Koh said.
Actual quote: ""International adjudication is an important tool [for screwing over the United States] in a post-cold-war, post-9/11 world," Dean Koh said.
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posted on
03/10/2005 11:43:19 AM PST
by
aruanan
To: teletech
Message to President Bush:
Good move, Mr. President!
Now, please, wake up and realize that the 'Law of the Sea' Treaty is even worse and drop your support for it.
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posted on
03/10/2005 11:43:36 AM PST
by
EternalVigilance
(Freedom. Brought to you by the grace of God and the Red, White and Blue...)
To: EternalVigilance
Message to President Bush: Good move, Mr. President!
Now, please, wake up and realize that the 'Law of the Sea' Treaty is even worse and drop your support for it.
I wonder how long it will be before we (USA) are accused of be isolationists. This move was LONG OVERDUE!
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posted on
03/10/2005 11:47:49 AM PST
by
teletech
(Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
To: Happy2BMe
You know, you really gotta hand it to Texas! When the President doesn't know his job and the Constitution, Apparently some patriots in Texas are capable of showing him the way! Oorah for Texas!
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posted on
03/10/2005 12:04:24 PM PST
by
Havoc
(Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade. Hang the traitors high)
To: neverdem
Now can we dump the UN, too?
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posted on
03/10/2005 12:05:49 PM PST
by
PeterFinn
(Why is it that people who know the least know it the loudest?)
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